Walther ppk and Luger value help?

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  1. Boyle

    Boyle New Member

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    Any info I can get would be great. I recieved these from my grandfather who brought them back after WWII. Im not interested in getting rid of them just wondering their value. Thanks.

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    The Luger is a mixed parts gun made up of third reich parts and pre-Nazi parts. It has a value as a shooter of around $650. Add about $200 for the holster and $175 for the extra magazine and loading tool, and you come up with a ball park value of about $1025.

    The PPK appears to be a a commercial model in decent condition, possibly late war, but it's too difficult to tell from the dark blurry pictures. The value would be somewhere around $1200.
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    Just curious abt the PPK.. Aren't crown over N proofmarks prewar??
    Bill W
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    No...Crown/N proofs continued until April !940. Then the change to Eagle/N was made. So the C/N is both prewar and wartime.
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  7. Danny

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    Wonder U R right on the money with the 1935 ppk. We need better pics of the Luger to give you an acquirement price. R the mags numbered on either weapon?
    And yes Bill, the crown n was the prewar stamp.
    Regards
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    Wonder U R right on the money with the 1935 ppk. however the mag with the 7.65 is war time , & will hurt the value a tad bit. We need better pics of the Luger to give you an accurate price. R the mags numbered on either weapon?
    And yes Bill, the crown n was the prewar stamp.
    Regards
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    Neither mag will be factory numbered to match the PPK

    Also Crown/N proofs while certainly prewar continued until April 1940 which is considered wartime...1939-1945
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  10. Boyle

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    Thanks for all the info guys, sorry the pics suck its my phone camera, only one i have. One of the Luger mags has matching numbers, one doesnt and the wood bottom one has nothing on it. The walther mags have no numbers on them.
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    That is great Boyle. Even one numbered mag with the Luger helps to increase the value.. If you could take pics of the top of the frame, that would help in judging the price. Make sure all the small parts have the same 2 digits on them. Some grips on the inside were also numbered.
    David why are you saying the mags could not be numbered? He did not show the muzzle, so perhaps it is SS issued, or even better there is no pic of the front or rear sights being painted, so it could even be a Reichsbank pistol? And all the dumb things to point out, from one collector to another, about the c/n being stopped in 1940 & Bill you are correct.
    Danny
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    The top of the frame has no markings, all pieces from what I can tell have the 83 on them. Grips just have the s/42 on the inside, there is no paint on the sights only blueing.
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    The question was "Aren't Crown over N proofmarks prewar?"
    The answer is C/N proofmarks were both prewar and extended into wartime.

    Reichsbank PPKs were much earlier than the serial number of this PPK. In the 766 XXX range, nearly 100,000 before this gun. This one would not have a FE numbered mag.

    SS/RSHA issued guns did not start appearing with factory numbered magazines until the middle of the non-RZM muzzle marked range. The earliest known factory numbered magazine for a muzzle marked PPK is nearly 100,000 guns after this one.

    Personal insults are not necessary but not unexpected.
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    With all the German, prewar & war time, pistols, any variations are expected. Thats why I wanted to ask the member this question, to be sure.
    Boyle your Luger is a Mauser S 42, it should have a date on top of the receiver.
    Can you email me better pics of the Luger at drbow50@yahoo.com?
    Kind Regards
    Danny
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    On the Luger I see Nazi era parts and a DWM toggle, making this a mixed parts gun. Even if one of the mags matches the frame, it is still a shooter and the value remains the same as I quoted previously.
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    Thanks Wonder I saw that, but whats got me is the markings before the number on the side plate & the markings on the grip strap?
    Take Care
    Danny
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    I hesitate to mention this in the face of so much expertise and the statement that the Luger is an untouched bringback, but IMHO the right side of the receiver has been "cleaned" (probably on a belt sander) and the single eagle is a fake. In view of that, I would question anything about the gun, not only the DWM toggle with a "matching" number.

    Jim
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    :) Now that you mention it, when you zoom it up to 400, it does look like a checken sitting on a nest.
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    I did not say anything about an untouched bring back. I simply said I would like to see the markings.
    I tell U Jim, why don't you & SSSn meet me this coming Oct at the OK Coral. I'm Wyatt and well you know who you can be? Paint guns would be great!
    Danny:D
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    I don't pose as an expert on Lugers, but I have never seen a Nazi era one with ONLY the swastika proof/acceptance stamp. There are always two WaA inspection stamps. Plus RJay is right; that eagle is not right and is too small. It looks like someone engraved or pantographed it using the small barrel proof for a guide.

    Jim
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