Was the Obama Administration complicit in arming cartels to enact new US gun laws?

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  1. ponycar17

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    Just read the following couple of articles... :eek:

    Emphasis in bold was added by me...

    From http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=310401

    So, I call into question Obama's own words from the next article, where he reportedly stated, according to Sarah Brady on March 30, 2011,

    From http://hotair.com/archives/2011/05/25/obama-were-working-on-gun-control-under-the-radar/

    So, does this or does this not ring true to the words of Rahm Emanuel, Obama's first White House Chief of Staff, when he said the following on November 19, 2008 at the Wall Street Journal CEO Council in Washington, D.C.?

    From http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yeA_kHHLow

    Has this been the modus operandi for the entire Administration since taking office in January of 2009? :eek:
  2. ponycar17

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    Re: Was the Obama Administration complicit in arming cartels to enact new US gun laws

    Add in this article that was dated June 14, 2011 from CNN.com...

    Continued at http://articles.cnn.com/2011-06-14/us/mexico.guns_1_mexican-drug-drug-cartels-drug-gangs?_s=PM:US

    Coincidence?... :rolleyes:
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    Re: Was the Obama Administration complicit in arming cartels to enact new US gun laws

    Can't remember where I read it, but it was in one of the mainstream media outlets, but they reported that the vast majority of the weaponry the cartels are using are brought in across Mexico's SOUTHERN border from Guatemala.

    The statistics spewed by the MSM about the bulk of the firearms coming from the USA is bogus. Of the firearms RECOVERED by the Mexican police and military that had serial numbers, there were some that originated in this country.

    Is the Obama administration complicit? I say yes, Operation "Fast and Furious" had to be cleared at the highest levels of the Justice Department, and hopefully those in the BATF who set this up and ran it will see the inside of Leavenworth Prison. Perhaps Atty. Gen. Eric Holder gave this operation the blessing it needed to get off the ground.

    As another unintended consequence, Mexico is preparing to sue the manufacturers of said firearms, the sellers of said firearms, and the U.S. Gov't for allowing them into Mexico, and will do so in U.S. Federal Courts. What a load of crap...just my opinion.

    John
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    Re: Was the Obama Administration complicit in arming cartels to enact new US gun laws

    The simple answer to your question, "Was the Obama Administration complicit in arming cartels to enact new US gun laws?"
    Is yes, of course they are! :tapfoot:

    You posted some great links and here is another one from June 17, 2011
    House of Representatives
    , Two AK-47s Used to Murder Mexican Lawyer Were 'Fast and Furious' Guns From U.S., Sources Say

    Keepandbeararms.com has a couple of articles a day about Operation Future Gun Control.

    Liberals/Democrats anyways, it is almost easy to categorize them all as a bunch of very evil people.
  5. jack404

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    Re: Was the Obama Administration complicit in arming cartels to enact new US gun laws

    what i read was of the 18000 something guns recovered 300 something where US sourced they thought more could have been but could not prove it

    the more was around the 200 -300 MAYBE...
  6. hogger129

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    Re: Was the Obama Administration complicit in arming cartels to enact new US gun laws

    In a word.... Yes.

    The ATF forced American gun dealers to sell weapons to known criminals. Weapons which were smuggled through Mexican drug cartels and came back to kill at least two Federal agents.

    I hope this turns into Obama's Watergate. I believe he knows exactly what's going on, and if caught, will play dumb.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Slick Willie put him up to the idea.
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    Re: Was the Obama Administration complicit in arming cartels to enact new US gun laws

    Here's a quote from Wikileaks -

    ‘Over 50 per cent of the military-type weapons that are flowing throughout the region have a large source between Central American stockpiles, if you will, left over from wars and conflicts in the past,’ said General Douglas Fraser, the head of the U.S. Southern Command in the memo.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ug-gangs-armed-U-S-weapons.html#ixzz1Nx0p7gq1

    Obviously, only a small fraction of the cartels' weapons are of civilian origin.

    This quote also demonstrates that U.S. officials are well aware of this fact.

    Yes, the U.S. federal gov't is trying to con the American people with lies in order to enact more anti-Second Amendment laws.

    There's nothing new about this. Back in 1989, the Bush administration was using the same lie (that U.S. gunshops were arming Mexican gangs) to promote restrictions on so-called "assault weapons".
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    Re: Was the Obama Administration complicit in arming cartels to enact new US gun laws

    Do you think people who can afford used submarines and have access to the biggest illicit arms dealers in the world are seriously gonna arm them selves with one semi auto AR or AK at a time. This was about US gun control only.
  9. Double D

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    Come on guys. Whos money is behind EVERY single gun law proposed in this land? Give up? George Soros. The puppet master might have stepped on his thingie. I just wish it mattered and we could or would do something about it..........besides sweeping it under the rug as usual. Poor rug.
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    Re: Was the Obama Administration complicit in arming cartels to enact new US gun laws

    The simple answer is yes.
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    Re: Was the Obama Administration complicit in arming cartels to enact new US gun laws

    Well I pulled up some of the lies here so we can all look at it and get the truth right...



    The TRUTH is that out of all the weapons that CAN even be traced back to the United States - because you have to remember there are all kinds of weapons there that do not come from the US, 17% of ALL the weapons ever traced can be traced back to the United States.
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  12. Millwright

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    Re: Was the Obama Administration complicit in arming cartels to enact new US gun laws

    According to some reports there's over 300,000 seized firearms in a warehouse in Mexico !

    Many, no doubt, traceable back to various U.S. military aid programs to Mexico, South and Central American nations. Sen. Grassley has specifically requested identifying information on all arms shipments to these nations.

    It appears more of the media is catching on to the OA's highly selective parsing of traced gun statistics. Perhaps that's why his recent claim of having created over 2 million jobs in the private sector was met with laughter...... >MW
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    Re: Was the Obama Administration complicit in arming cartels to enact new US gun laws

    Yes

    The admin is:

    Commie, criminal, Vile, lying, murdering, hostile, despicable, poisonous, rat infested, Conniving, puss oozing, unholy, cottage cheese eating, monkey dung, stinky, yeast infected, flea bitten, scum sucking, less than zero, gutless, bottom feeders, good for nothing, wasted, baby making, leaches, two faced, talk out of their a$$, low life, toad suckers, yellow belly, camel humping, rabbied, drug induced coma, retarded, sad excuse for wasted space they are.

    We should all get together and sue them for infringing on our rights.
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    Re: Was the Obama Administration complicit in arming cartels to enact new US gun laws

    But they're in power, Cycloneman !

    Never underestimate the Progressive's desire and willingness to contravene our laws in pursuit of their objectives ! By their lights any action is acceptable so long as it achieves their "moral" ends ! >MW
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    Re: Was the Obama Administration complicit in arming cartels to enact new US gun laws

    I gaurantee he did that!! Anthony weiner has more integrity than our president. His whole presidency stinks and so does everyone he appoints!! 2012 can't come soon enough!
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    Members of the Mexican Military sell their arms to the cartels before they fire them. Mexico is falling apart. Yes Obama is using this to force American gun laws. If he is elected for another term he will lead a major attack on American freedom.:(
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    Re: Was the Obama Administration complicit in arming cartels to enact new US gun laws

    I agree, He'll have no reason not to. It will be "balls to the wall" if he gets in again. Damn the law! Nothing but an inconvenience to his crew.
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    Re: Was the Obama Administration complicit in arming cartels to enact new US gun laws

    As for Operation Fast and Furious, Obama is lying, and so is Holder. Don't you think an operation of this proportion would have had some kind of oversight? That would include the Attorney General. And whatever the AG does is always under the direction of the President.

    What they need to do is give these ATF guys extremely harsh prison sentences, so that they'll cooperate and narc out their higher-ups.
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  19. Gun Geezer

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    Re: Was the Obama Administration complicit in arming cartels to enact new US gun laws

    Let's see now! Hilary once said that she arrived in a war zone during a fire fight. She lied!
    Obozo is a former Illinois politician. That would mean he is a liar and a crook.
    Can we believe anything we are told by our government?
    I think not!
    But as HST once said, "The buck stops here!"
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    Re: So was the Bush administration it appears

    lookie here


    March 8, 2011 6:47 PM
    Documents point to ATF "gun running" since 2008

    By
    Sharyl Attkisson


    (CBS News)

    A controversial operation in which U.S. agents were allegedly ordered not to intervene as American guns flowed to Mexican gangs may have been going on for many years, reports CBS News investigative correspondent Sharyl Attkisson.

    Gunrunning scandal at the ATF

    A photograph obtained by CBS News shows an astonishing display of high-powered weapons put up for suspected Mexican drug cartel gun buyers. It's a rare glimpse into ATF's controversial undercover operations.

    The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives allegedly let gun runners walk off with weapons - thousands of them - to see if they'd end up in the hands of the cartels. The Justice Department and ATF have denied it ever happened.

    Special Agent John Dodson works in ATF's Phoenix office and has blown the whistle on the controversial strategy, known as letting guns "walk."

    Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico

    Dodson believes there are other ATF operations going on that have done the same thing.

    Multiple sources now tell CBS News the questionable tactics were used in more than one operation, and date back as far as 2008 in the Tucson area. One case was called "Wide Receiver."

    AK47s vs. bean bags in border drug war

    Sources tell CBS News licensed gun dealers often wanted no part of selling to suspicious characters who could be supplying the cartels.

    But, sources say, ATF enlisted the gun dealers as paid Confidential Informants and encouraged them to sell even more.

    "ATF has asked me to assist in an official investigation," reads one agreement.

    Gun salesmen closed the deals, and ATF watched and listened with recording devices.

    "ATF Special Agents conducted surveillance...and identified the dates and times that the conspirators... crossed the international border," says one court document.

    Dodson argues that something that should never be done. "A lot people are going to get hurt with those firearms between the time we let them go and the time they're recovered again in a crime."

    Sources tell CBS News these ATF operations involved about 450 weapons. Despite the risk, two years later the same strategy was expanded to include thousands of guns.

    Sen. Grassley asks for investigation

    DOJ responds to Sen. Grassley

    Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/03/08/eveningnews/main20040803.shtml#ixzz1Q7Nqp2JX
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