We are in grave danger people

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by 22WRF, Mar 12, 2009.

  1. 22WRF

    22WRF Well-Known Member

    May 10, 2004
    There are a few disturbing bills in congress that no one is talking about. If these get past the stimulus package will be the least of your worry's.

    The first is HR 645 the ‘National Emergency Centers Establishment Act’.

    The second is HR 675 - To amend title 10, United States Code, to provide police officers, criminal investigators, and game law enforcement officers of the Department of Defense with authority to execute warrants, make arrests, and carry firearms.

  2. glocknut

    glocknut Active Member

    They make no secrets about their intentions, do they? :mad::mad::mad::mad:


  3. Vladimir

    Vladimir New Member

    Jan 29, 2008
    Issaquah WA
    I gave this a look through and have a hard time seeing why, in it's current form it is bad?
  4. 4EvrLearning

    4EvrLearning New Member

    Feb 27, 2009
    Left Coast
    Vlad: for starters:

    ‘(2) to make arrests without a warrant--

    ‘(A) for any offense against the United States committed in the presence of that officer; and

    ‘(B) for any felony cognizable under the laws of the United States if the officer has probable cause to believe that the person to be arrested has committed or is committing the felony;...
    - - - - -
    ‘(2) preventing breaches of the peace and suppressing affrays or unlawful assemblies;

    affrays = "Tea Parties," perhaps?
    Last edited: Mar 12, 2009
  5. 22WRF

    22WRF Well-Known Member

    May 10, 2004

    Does Department of Defense and Posse comitatus come to mind?
  6. 358 winchester

    358 winchester *TFF Admin Staff*

    Apr 25, 2004
    Pensacola Fl. area
    Thank you for being able to read some just can't ;)
  7. Vladimir

    Vladimir New Member

    Jan 29, 2008
    Issaquah WA
    Making arrests without warrants is like what police officers do every day. Notice it stipulates for any offense against the United States committed in the presence of that officer, this is no different than the law that governs who my Dad can, and can't, arrest. In fact I bet in the last 8+ years he hasn't made a single arrest with a warrant... hardly means he hasn't arrested anyone...

    This isn't authorizing the military to make arrests, it is pretty clear who it is delegating that authority to.
  8. 4EvrLearning

    4EvrLearning New Member

    Feb 27, 2009
    Left Coast
    Vladimir: I'm thinking the difference lies in who is giving the authority to make these arrests. If your father is a police officer, he is operating under the rules and regulations of local police authority, not the DoD by virtue of the Secretary of Defense.

    ‘(a) Authority- The Secretary of Defense may authorize any law enforcement officer of the Department of Defense-- ...'

    I'm admittedly not the brightest bulb in the chandelier, but doesn't combining "Sec'y of Defense, DoD, and law enforcement" kind of get close to martial law scenarios?

    If I'm wrong, someone please tell me!
  9. 22WRF

    22WRF Well-Known Member

    May 10, 2004
    You got it. Law enforcement comes under DOJ not DOD
  10. bodyarmor

    bodyarmor New Member

    Mar 2, 2009
  11. I may be off base here, but I see this as the legal framework for Barry's national defense force. Take a bunch of unemployed civilians, give them a little bit of firearms training, a whole lot more political indoctrination and brainwashing, put them under the jurisdiction of DoD, hand them guns, and tell them to "make the country safer" by rounding up "troublemakers, threats, and terrorists." And if the military is given the power to serve warrants, make arrests without warrants, and get involved in law enforcement, then the national defense force has a large pool of ready backup in case it gets into a situation that it cannot handle. This looks like the beginings of the system needed to kick in the doors of gun owners that won't hand 'em over, people who won't drink Barry's Kool-Aid, and others that don't "fit in" with the new socialist system.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
  12. That is not totally true.

    DoD has had it's on cops for a long time. Under DoD each branch, Department of the Army, Department of the Navy, etc etc hires their own civilian police. They work right beside the MP's and are managed under the Provost Marshall.

    DoD also has it's own Game Wardens to manage it's land.

    You all are basically making a big deal of something like the DoD fire departments being authorized to have fire trucks and put out fires without a warrant.
  13. You're about 500 miles off the mark dude. DoD police are hired by and assigned by each branch of the armed forces to work on installations. Go on any post and walk into the MP station (SP station) and go in the Provost Marshall office and there's your DoD police. Almost all are retired MP's.

  14. I KNOW that DoD has their own police. I was in the Air Force and saw many APs. My uncle was in the Navy and pulled SP duty many times. I have another uncle that was in the Army and had "discussions" with the MPs on a couple occasions. Military and DoD police only have jurisdiction on military bases or property. I am aware of that.

    THIS bill looks to me like it's trying to expand police powers to DoD personnel OFF of military property. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong and I'll admit such, but this looks to me like very bad news.
  15. 22WRF

    22WRF Well-Known Member

    May 10, 2004
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