We are in grave danger people

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  1. 22WRF

    22WRF Well-Known Member

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    There are a few disturbing bills in congress that no one is talking about. If these get past the stimulus package will be the least of your worry's.

    The first is HR 645 the ‘National Emergency Centers Establishment Act’.
    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-645

    The second is HR 675 - To amend title 10, United States Code, to provide police officers, criminal investigators, and game law enforcement officers of the Department of Defense with authority to execute warrants, make arrests, and carry firearms.


    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-675
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    They make no secrets about their intentions, do they? :mad::mad::mad::mad:

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  3. Vladimir

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    I gave this a look through and have a hard time seeing why, in it's current form it is bad?
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    Vlad: for starters:

    ‘(2) to make arrests without a warrant--

    ‘(A) for any offense against the United States committed in the presence of that officer; and

    ‘(B) for any felony cognizable under the laws of the United States if the officer has probable cause to believe that the person to be arrested has committed or is committing the felony;...
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    ‘(2) preventing breaches of the peace and suppressing affrays or unlawful assemblies;

    affrays = "Tea Parties," perhaps?
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  5. 22WRF

    22WRF Well-Known Member

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    Val

    Does Department of Defense and Posse comitatus come to mind?
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    Thank you for being able to read some just can't ;)
  7. Vladimir

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    Making arrests without warrants is like what police officers do every day. Notice it stipulates for any offense against the United States committed in the presence of that officer, this is no different than the law that governs who my Dad can, and can't, arrest. In fact I bet in the last 8+ years he hasn't made a single arrest with a warrant... hardly means he hasn't arrested anyone...

    This isn't authorizing the military to make arrests, it is pretty clear who it is delegating that authority to.
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    Vladimir: I'm thinking the difference lies in who is giving the authority to make these arrests. If your father is a police officer, he is operating under the rules and regulations of local police authority, not the DoD by virtue of the Secretary of Defense.

    ‘(a) Authority- The Secretary of Defense may authorize any law enforcement officer of the Department of Defense-- ...'

    I'm admittedly not the brightest bulb in the chandelier, but doesn't combining "Sec'y of Defense, DoD, and law enforcement" kind of get close to martial law scenarios?

    If I'm wrong, someone please tell me!
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    You got it. Law enforcement comes under DOJ not DOD
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    I may be off base here, but I see this as the legal framework for Barry's national defense force. Take a bunch of unemployed civilians, give them a little bit of firearms training, a whole lot more political indoctrination and brainwashing, put them under the jurisdiction of DoD, hand them guns, and tell them to "make the country safer" by rounding up "troublemakers, threats, and terrorists." And if the military is given the power to serve warrants, make arrests without warrants, and get involved in law enforcement, then the national defense force has a large pool of ready backup in case it gets into a situation that it cannot handle. This looks like the beginings of the system needed to kick in the doors of gun owners that won't hand 'em over, people who won't drink Barry's Kool-Aid, and others that don't "fit in" with the new socialist system.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
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    delta13soultaker New Member

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    That is not totally true.

    DoD has had it's on cops for a long time. Under DoD each branch, Department of the Army, Department of the Navy, etc etc hires their own civilian police. They work right beside the MP's and are managed under the Provost Marshall.

    DoD also has it's own Game Wardens to manage it's land.

    You all are basically making a big deal of something like the DoD fire departments being authorized to have fire trucks and put out fires without a warrant.
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    delta13soultaker New Member

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    You're about 500 miles off the mark dude. DoD police are hired by and assigned by each branch of the armed forces to work on installations. Go on any post and walk into the MP station (SP station) and go in the Provost Marshall office and there's your DoD police. Almost all are retired MP's.
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    I KNOW that DoD has their own police. I was in the Air Force and saw many APs. My uncle was in the Navy and pulled SP duty many times. I have another uncle that was in the Army and had "discussions" with the MPs on a couple occasions. Military and DoD police only have jurisdiction on military bases or property. I am aware of that.

    THIS bill looks to me like it's trying to expand police powers to DoD personnel OFF of military property. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong and I'll admit such, but this looks to me like very bad news.
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    First, DoD police aren't exactly a major force.

    Second, where does it say they have authority off post?

    That bill on that link is a bunch of words that don't mean sh*t about off.
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    delta...thank you for the clarifications. Now my question is: Why is this new bill needed? What's been added to it to make it necessary, and how will the changes effect us?

    And lastly...am I spelling "martial" wrong? :eek: It's "Marshall"? *google time...*
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    I can see this going either way. Yes it could have potential for abuse I suppose but it would seem to me that some of this is as a result of reevaluating our emergency response capability after Katrina. remember the evacuation mess they had...and the less than great accomodations at the astrodome? Seems to me it is a wise thing to be prepared for emergencies during a natural or man made disaster. If they didn't do this and we had such a disaster people would be screaming that government hadn't done it's job. Remember the other post about terrorist training camps in the U.S? Add to that the numerous intelligence reports that Al Qaida has solid plans for attacks within the U.S. Not if but when that happens I want our government agencies to be able to act efficiently and not have their hands tied. Don't you?
  19. delta13soultaker

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    I believe the bill is to give the security/police (0083) at the gates the same authority as civilian police to make arrests and enforce safety on the spot, deal with handing arrested violators over to local LE and such....instead of having to wait on the local LE to come act.

    By the way...here's where DoD police can apply for jobs.

    http://jobsearch.usajobs.gov/jobsea...IT1.x=83&SUBMIT1.y=24&SUBMIT1=Search for Jobs
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    It's "martial law', not to be confused with "marital law" which is the most oppressive of all laws. :D
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