We knew this

Discussion in 'The Constitutional & RKBA Forum' started by armedandsafe, Jul 6, 2010.

  1. armedandsafe

    armedandsafe Guest

    We ignorant redneck clingers know this. Why can't the elite educated leaders figure it out?

  2. lentz

    lentz Former Guest

    Mar 12, 2010
    They know it.They just don't like it.

  3. Millwright

    Millwright Well-Known Member

    Jun 30, 2005
    The real "nut on the deal" emerged today ! Seems the USAG/ICE - aka the Obama Administration - are concerned AZ cops will turn up too many cases for them to handle ! Which, I opine, is another way of saying we don't want to curtail the supply of bodies to match the "voters" we've already locked in !

    Bottom line is the "Democrat Elites " are going to pursue this case - because their grasp of the political scene is so rooted in history they can't perceive the looming change. They have ample company in the GOP, too !! >MW
  4. 199er

    199er New Member

    May 5, 2010
    Columbia SC
    The goal for the Democrats is to not have any 'dead' people voting in future elections.

    To accomplish this the Government needs amnesty for the illegals now here and they also plan on dragging there feet on securing the borders so as many illegals as possible can enter our country before they have to 'close the gate'.

    I hope the 9th Circuit Court denys the DOJ's challenge to the AZ immigration law.
  5. armedandsafe

    armedandsafe Guest

    It will go all the way to SCOTUS, if Arizona has the money to pursue it. The 9th Circus will not deny standing, the 3 judge panel will find in favor against precedent and the full Curcus will not overturn the panel.

    "How dare you declare in law that you will uphold and enforce the law!"

  6. belercous

    belercous Former Guest

    Aug 7, 2009
    I'm a Democrat (not because I agree with them totally, it's just the least bad choice), and am fairly liberal. But for the life of me, I just can't understand what the problem with the AZ law is. (I know, the Supremacy Clause, but that just seems like a pretext)
    The Federal Gov. refuses to act. AZ is on the front lines of the immigration problem. AZ acted, because Washington hasn't, but did nothing more than what federal law calls for. This just seems to be a bad move by the administration. Many naturalized hispanics support the law, around 70% of the American public support the law. Its not gonna buy the Democrats votes in Nov. Wtf? Let AZ deal with it until Washington acts. At least they are trying to do something. Congress won't even try, and the border states are supposed to bear the brunt of it and sit on their hands? We won't help you, and we won't let you help yourself? I just don't get it.
  7. Millwright

    Millwright Well-Known Member

    Jun 30, 2005

    The President stated the border with Mexico was too big and too remote to effectively prevent illegals crossing, and the numbers were too great to do more than target troublesome individuals. If the AZ LEOs effrectively police the border, it makes POTUS look like the opportunistic poltroon he most certainly is..... >MW
  8. 199er

    199er New Member

    May 5, 2010
    Columbia SC

    Regardless of how this pending lawsuit comes out the loser will appeal and the issue will be further drawn out. Meanwhile illegal immigrants will continue to infiltrate our country and our citizens distain towards the current administration will fester even more.

    Obama's procrastination on this issue is further endangering our country and, unfortunately, because issue has been treated as a political issue rather than a security issue, the Republicans aren't without blame in how this situation was allowed to reach this point.

    Gee wiz!!!................I guess because the President said our border with Mexico was too big and too remote to effectively prevent illegals crossing he expects us citizens to just give up without trying???????????? Yea right!

    How about deploying some military 'passive' electronic surveillance capability to support the AZ BP? And because they are short handed we should also deploy few air and ground US Army Cavalry Squadrons to conduct "screening operations" along the border. Air and ground Cavalry units are very mobile and Screening Operations are a basic Cavalry mission. If a deadly force situation arose the Cav would have the "organic assets" to netrualize any armed drug dealers or smuglers. If and when the Mexican government complains about us protecing our borders with deadly force (when provoked), our answer should be......"when you get your side of the border closed you will be doing all you can to secure the safety of your citizens".

    This may not be the best answer but it may well come to be the only option we have other than continuing to turn a blind eye and doing nothing.
    Last edited: Jul 8, 2010
  9. JBozeman

    JBozeman New Member

    Jun 30, 2010
    Eventually he will say, "Don't mess with my future votes"! I wonder how borders will handle the stampede going the other way will look like when they find the collapsed economy Washington is purposefully producing.

    We're hanging by a thread here and it can't stretch much more! If we don't just give up, all across America, we will be force to give up!

    Sorry I'm so negative but the future is not bright anymore!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
    Last edited: Jul 8, 2010
  10. wpage

    wpage Active Member

    Aug 25, 2009
    Big gov says do as I say not as I do to Az...
  11. carver

    carver Moderator Supporting Member

    I say that if AZ needs funds to secure their border, I will be one of the first to send money. If they need bodies to help secure the border AZ should ask for volunteeres, and again I will be one of the first to step up. As for as the Lawsuit Against Arizona by our own Government is concerned, I hope the fools get laughed out of court. If that don't happen then there will be a lot of unhappy people in America.
  12. Terry_P

    Terry_P New Member

    Mar 23, 2008
    Lets see the DOJ won't enforce the voter intimidation laws against the black panthers, the press secretary was asked yesterday why the administration didn't didn't bring suit against "sanctuary cities" that are clearly in violation of federal law and he did not have any answer, immigration won't enforce immigration laws against illegals to the point that the great state of Arizona out of absolute desperation had to take matters into their own hands and now the justice department acts the quickest it ever has under Obama to sue Arizona. I see a pattern here of abuse of power and lack of respect for the US Constitution. The case is building but the political make up of the current congress needs to change dramatically.
  13. carver

    carver Moderator Supporting Member

    Remember in November!
  14. red14

    red14 Well-Known Member

    Aug 17, 2009
    N FLA
    Maobama did act real fast to fire the bad general.
  15. Eddie N

    Eddie N New Member

    Apr 23, 2009