We need a new system

Discussion in 'The Fire For Effect and Totally Politically Incorr' started by WHSmithIV, Aug 18, 2012.

  1. WHSmithIV

    WHSmithIV Well-Known Member

    May 3, 2012
    Moore, Idaho
    Since this is the politically incorrect forum, here I go..

    Yes Obama has to go - for all of you who read this, you probably know the reasons why - and many of you may not actually understand the actual reasons why. I'm not talking the 'issues' of abortion or gays either which are the only major differences between the Republicans and the Democrats.

    As far as I'm concerned, we NEED a better political party than either the Democrats or the Republicans. All we have to do is look at how close these past elections have been to see just how divided these two parties are making our country. This is MY Country - I risked my LIFE for it. If we allow this current situation to go on much longer we will have a new civil war.

    We weave a path in long curves now between the Democrats and Republicans that, as the American people, we can only hope that in the long term, the balance between right wing nut jobs and left wing anarchists turns out to be a middle ground.

    We are always forced to make a vote for the lesser of two evils. We never have a 3rd or 4th viable choice.

    The current system HAS to change or our children and grandchildren are doomed to anarchy.

    I spent 23 years of my life watching the world laugh at our country after I served in our Navy and while I still defended us from outside our country.

    William H. Smith IV
  2. Airdale

    Airdale Active Member

    Mar 31, 2009
    N.W. Arkansas
    William H. Smith IV,

    Don't know if you've noticed but big changes are afoot in the present system. TEA Party
    types running for office and kicking establishment candidates arse. Let me name a few Ted Cruse (sp?) in Texas, Allan West Fl., Rubio Fl, Here in lil' ole Arkansas we're about to produce a rising star named Tom Cotton who defeated Gov. Huck's hand picked choice for the house. How about Rand Paul? I could go on and on but I'm sure you get where I'm coming from.

    Who are the "right wing nut jobs"?

    "Lesser of two evils? You consider Romney evil? Not my first choice but certainly not evil. The other guy, oh yeah. So far, with the selection of Ryan for V.P., Romney is exceeding my exspectations. Tells me he's dead serious about turning things around.

    I don't know if a third party is a viable idea or not but I do know that it would be a whole lot easier to wrest control of the G.O.P from the RINOs and establishment types and return it to the Conservative Constitutional Party of it's origins (happening as I type this). It takes effort from patriots like you and, trust me on this, it won't be done from middleground".

    Find a group with values like yours and get to work, support like minded candidates, open your wallet. As you know freedom ain't free.

    "I spent 23 years of my life watching the world laugh at our country after I served in our Navy and while I still defended us from outside our country." Very commendable, now all you have to do is spend the rest of your life defending it from within.

  3. gvw3

    gvw3 Well-Known Member Supporting Member

    Oct 16, 2011
    Chicago IL Area
    I think we still have more freedom than most country's. I also think there are powers at work trying to change that. I would like to see limits to big money in politics. Big money can buy the elections.
  4. WHSmithIV

    WHSmithIV Well-Known Member

    May 3, 2012
    Moore, Idaho
    I most definitely agree. Now, I'm not a billionaire, a multi millionaire or even a millionaire. So, 'opening my wallet' to start paying to try to change things is not going to happen.

    The entire concept of a political candidate working hard to raise $100 million a month or more to run for office borders on insanity. The system can't sustain things the way they are and it's going to come crashing down around us all. If not in our lifetimes, then in our children's lifetimes.

    I don't actually see the G.O.P disappearing, but if control of it is being redirected into a Conservative Constitutional Party, that may very well be the third party that we need because, the G.O.P will still be there afterwards.

    I use the terms 'right wing nut jobs' and 'left wing anarchists' loosely in order to illustrate the vastness of the gap between the right and left. While the politicians work on telling the people what they think the people want to hear so that they can get elected, they follow their own agendas.

    I don't see Romney/Ryan as a 'great' choice to vote for, but it is better than what's there now. I wonder if we ever will again see a really great choice. A choice that wins the vote with a landslide for the very reason that it is a great choice.
  5. Marlin T

    Marlin T Well-Known Member

    Jul 8, 2005
    New Mexico
    We need a new primary system.

    As it is now, it is almost impossible for a conservative to make it through all the liberal states which vote first.

    Change the vote date so that all the states vote on the same day.

    Do you think Romney would currently be 'our' pick for Pres?
    A liberal from Mass who pasted an 'assault weapon' ban. As Bill O Really would call it, a heavy weapon ban.

    John Bolton would have been my pick.
    Last edited: Aug 18, 2012
  6. gvw3

    gvw3 Well-Known Member Supporting Member

    Oct 16, 2011
    Chicago IL Area
    I think we have a good system if you take the big money out. We need to take back control of our political party's. They will then do what the people want not the big money interest.

    Our countries government had been owned by big money in the past. Railroads, Oil, now its the healthcare industry. As in the past big money out of greed will cut it's own throat.

    Healthcare in America today eats up 16% of our GDP. That means .16 of every dollar made in our country ends up going to them. It should be no more than .06. Americans just need to wake up to the fact that they now control most of the politicians. When they do they will put an end to it.
  7. Airdale

    Airdale Active Member

    Mar 31, 2009
    N.W. Arkansas
    Don't have $25 tosend to The NRA campaign against Obama? Dont have $25 to help someone like Tom Cotton? Lots of good grass root groups out there
    but ya got to put some skin in the game. Good lord man, my primary income is Social Security but our nation is at a turning point. You say we need a new system, Obama said we need change. I say we need neither, we need to return to our roots, a republic if we can keep it as ol' Ben said. We are being tested whether we can keep it or will we fall to the utopiaism of the left.

    You don't have to be rich to help but you do have to be willing to do what you can not just pitch a bitch and hope everythigs gonna be OK. GET IN THE GAME!!! If'n your not willin to make a sacrafice then don't bitch when you don't get the results you want.
  8. BillM

    BillM Active Member

    Jan 16, 2010
    Amity Orygun
    There have been a few political parties that have come and gone
    in the 200+ years this country has been around.
    All thought that there needed to be change, and that
    they had the one true way. My personal
    feeling is that there isn't much difference between the two current
    big dogs, and neither is worth a pinch of monkey $h!t.

    I'm leaning toward Tea Party, with a good dose of Libertarian. If
    you want something different find some like minded people and
    have at it.

    From wiki:

    "The following parties are no longer functioning; they are listed in order of founding.
    Federalist Party (c. 1789 – c. 1820)
    Anti-Federalist Party (c. 1789 – c. 1792)
    Democratic-Republican Party (1792 – c. 1824)
    Toleration Party (1816 – c. 1827)
    Anti-Masonic Party (1826–1838)
    National Republican Party (1825–1833)
    Nullifier Party (1830–1839)
    Whig Party (1833–1856)
    Liberty Party (1840–1848)
    Law and Order Party of Rhode Island (1840s)
    Free Soil Party (1848–1855)
    Anti-Nebraska Party (1854)
    American Republican Party (1843–1854)
    American Party (a.k.a. "Know-Nothings") (c. 1854 – 1858)
    Opposition Party (1854–1858)
    Constitutional Union Party (1860)
    Unconditional Union Party (1861-1866)
    National Union Party, (1864–1868)
    Readjuster Party (1870–1885)
    People's Party of Utah (1870–1891)
    Liberal Party (Utah) (1870–1893)
    Liberal Republican Party (1872)
    Greenback Party (1874–1884)
    Socialist Labor Party of America (1876-2008)
    Anti-Monopoly Party (1884)
    People's Party (a.k.a. "Populists") (1887–1908)
    Silver Party (1892–1902)
    National Democratic Party ("Gold Democrats") (1896–1900)
    Silver Republican Party (1896–1900)
    Social Democratic Party (1898–1901)
    Home Rule Party of Hawaii (1900–1912)
    Socialist Party of America (1901–1972)
    Independence Party (a.k.a. "Independence League") (1906–1914)
    Progressive Party 1912 (a.k.a. "Bull Moose Party") (1912–1914)
    National Woman's Party (1913–1930)
    Non-Partisan League (1915–1956)
    Farmer-Labor Party (1918–1944)
    Proletarian Party of America (1920–1971)
    Progressive Party 1924 (1924)
    Communist League of America (1928–1934)
    American Workers Party (1933–1934)
    Workers Party of the United States (1934–1938)
    Union Party (1936)
    American Labor Party (1936–1956)
    America First Party (1944) (1944–1996)
    States' Rights Democratic Party (a.k.a. "Dixiecrats") (1948)
    Progressive Party 1948 (1948–1955)
    Vegetarian Party (1948–1964)
    Constitution Party (1950s) (1952–1968?)
    American Nazi Party (1959–1967)
    Puerto Rican Socialist Party (1959–1993)
    Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party (1964)
    Black Panther Party (1966–1970s)
    Youth International Party (a.k.a. "Yippies") (1967)
    Communist Workers Party (1969–1985)
    People's Party (1971–1976)
    New Union Party (1974-2005?)
    U.S. Labor Party (1975–1979)
    Concerned Citizens Party (1975–1992)
    Citizens Party (1979–1984)
    New Alliance Party (1979–1992)
    Populist Party of 1980s–1990s (1984–1994)
    Looking Back Party (1984–1996)
    Independent Party of Utah (1988–1996)
    A Connecticut Party (1990-?)
    New Party (1992–1998)
    Natural Law Party (1992–2004)
    Veterans Party (2003–2008)
    Christian Freedom Party (2004)
    Personal Choice Party (2004-2006?)
    Boston Tea Party (2006-2012)"
    Last edited: Aug 18, 2012
  9. WHSmithIV

    WHSmithIV Well-Known Member

    May 3, 2012
    Moore, Idaho
    I'm with you on this, but there is no skin to put. I opened my own business last January and I damn sure am not giving my hard earned money to a politician before I pay the phone bills and electric bills that keep the business alive - or perhaps I should be a Democrat and just go on welfare and say f#%k it. So, let's see, my wife is unemployed and we don't collect a dime for that fact - never even bothered to apply. So, what I make helping people by being the only honest computer repair guy on the planet - the one who won't rip anyone off and guarantees all my work, the one who find out whats wrong with a computer for free - now you want me to start giving money away before I even pay my bills?

    I'm afraid you've lost your marbles. Bills first, then possible donations if anyone is actually worthy of some assistance. I did dig up a little for the State Police Officers fund - it was the best I could do for the past year.
  10. WHSmithIV

    WHSmithIV Well-Known Member

    May 3, 2012
    Moore, Idaho
    The sad fact of the matter is that financially there's no contest. If a party can't get a presidential candidate on the ballot of every single state, they don't stand a chance.

    Even if a party raises 50 million bucks for a run at it, they simply won't win when the 2 biggies are pulling in 100 million plus per month!
  11. gvw3

    gvw3 Well-Known Member Supporting Member

    Oct 16, 2011
    Chicago IL Area
    I don't think anyone expects folks that are not working or just getting by to donate to any politicians. Those of us that still have a job can and should carry that.

    I wouldn't give a dime to the guys running now.
  12. Airdale

    Airdale Active Member

    Mar 31, 2009
    N.W. Arkansas

    I know what it takes to start a business.

    Good luck in your endeavour. I'll bet you're very aware of who built it.
  13. WHSmithIV

    WHSmithIV Well-Known Member

    May 3, 2012
    Moore, Idaho
    Thanks, and you're right, I am very well aware of who built it right down to the hand made workbenches. Me. :). There certainly wasn't one penny of help from Obama and his cronies or from anyone else for that matter.
    Last edited: Aug 19, 2012
  14. Iron Eagle

    Iron Eagle Well-Known Member

    Feb 17, 2012
    I wish you great success. It takes courage to do what you've done.
  15. Haligan

    Haligan Well-Known Member

    Feb 25, 2008
    FEMA Region II
    We had it. WE HAD IT ! WE(Americans) for years, even decades, have let 'them' chip away at the constitution. Have ya ever read the constitution(Really, don't lie to yourself, Have you ever REALLY READ IT ! !) . SO many "patriots" say (constitution, constitution, constitution) Like some people say I love freedom; but truth is they love the sound of freedom, not really the PRACTICE of freedom.

    We had term limits.

    We had STATE control over our U.S. Senators.(MUCH EASIER TO RECALL A U.S. SENATOR if they didn't represent their state.)

    President is the guy who got the most Electorial votes, Vice president was the guy who got the 2nd most. No running-mate crap ! You want third, forth, 5th parties. A parlimentary system, WE HAD IT !

    We had the system. Heck, if only patriots would fight for their 10th Ammendment right.
    Don't know what that is. DAMN IT ! LOOK IT UP. READ THE CONSTITUTION !

    We don't need or WANT revolution. We want and need RESTORATION !



    ..............:(:(:( We had it.:(
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