weak grip causes gun jam??

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  1. seanjonsean

    seanjonsean New Member

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    just saw vid on you tube and this kid was shooting wat looked like a 9mm but kept jamming and his dad or adult kept telling him grip it tight , i had one jam today do u guys think that may be the case???
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    delta13soultaker New Member

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    Yes, a loose grip on a semi-auto can prevent the slide from moving its full motion and cause a malfunction.
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    kewl thanxz for the input , idid notice i was accurate holding it lightly but then again i need to get the feel for it
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    It needs a good firm foundation to recoil against unless you use a revolver.
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    Semi-auto shotguns have the same tendency. They jam if not held firmly against the shoulder.
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    This is not to say you have to white knuckle it either. A firm grip not a death grip. My daughter has been shooting my 1911 since she was nine (she's twelve now) and she never had a problem with gripping it. She can part your hair with it, too!:D
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    Yep. An AK47, M4, etc etc....limp-wrist them without the stock in your shoulder or pulled tight and you get a FTE/stovepipe etc.

    Limp-wristing a handgun in a match to induce malfunction and get an aliby re-fire when you don't like how your score is going is an oldschool trick some older 1911 guys can tell plenty about. They used to do it so frequently that for awhile the 1911 started getting a bad reputation for reliability.
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    NEVER hold any gun, 'lightly'. With a pistol it's always a firm, front-to-back grip. The trigger finger is slightly, 'disassociated' from the gun hand; and, you need to apply strong pressure: (1) immediately underneath the triggerguard, and (2) at the midpoint on the backstrap. Now, watch your front sight and go, 'tap, tap, tap'! ;)

    HERE! Maybe this will help you out!
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    sean, you need a good heavy recoiling revolver. believe me, you will learn to firmly grip the pistol once the front sight has drawn you blood a couple if times;)
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    Hey thanks for the link to Wardell Tip thats a great site not that I had problem with a weak grip but I'm just sayin
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    I'd never had it happen prior to shooting a Beretta 96 in .40 S&W. I don't know why but I just could not get my grip right and had multiple slide-not-going-fully-into-battery faults.
  12. TranterUK

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    I really dont think any serious shooter would pull anything like that delta :)

    Why next they would be pressing their thumb against the slide to stop it cycling properly :eek:
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    Ahhh...but a good pair of eyes can catch the ol' thumb induced stoppage, but the limp-wrist is truly very hard to catch.:D
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    While limp wristing any semi-automatic handgun even down to a .22 will cause failure, I have "never" seen a gas operated gun suffer the same fate, nore gas pistols, since they do not rely on recoil-gas operated is what eliminates these failures.
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    Three years as a drill sergeant I seen it many times.
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    You may have seen it, failure......but it was not due to the stock being firmly planted to the shoulder, more likely the magazine planted in the dirt or the magazine period.......how many magazine changes have been made in the last ten years to the service rifle?????? 113

    Gas operated weapons do not even need to be held to fire completely. Gas does the work. Now M4` with the short 14" barrel and unmodified gas tube will not always work. It is the gas system and not the hold.

    You may be top cheese but of this you are simply mistaken.
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    I only had one stovepipe and that was with my ol' Makarov and I was using two hands, every time I used one hand, I had no problems but I was hitting low and right. I prefer revolvers, though; less physics I have to calculate. :D

    If you want to use a semi auto, start with a light caliber. .22lr and/or a 9mm (or a 9mm with a .22lr kit, have the best of both worlds), and bring about 250 rounds of each and have lots of practice. Having a regular workout with your hands, wrists and arms can help out, too.
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    I lost count of how many little 5'6" 18 year-olds with back-to-back failure to eject claimed their mag was bad...but didn't have the butt in their shoulder pocket...and when corrected with a firm grip...POOF no more FTE's. So much for the bad mag.

    You know dude...years ago we went to the engineers at Colt to touch base on some things. Those guys wanted to have us believe the only way to correct a bolt override failure was to pull out the front sight assembly and gas tube! Which was funny because for as long as anyone could remember, we just pulled back hard on the charging handle, jammed a pocket knife in front of the bolt, shoved the charging handle forward, and the cartridge case just falls out. Hmmmm.

    As soon as you know everything, you know nothing.
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    i have had a semi auto ak and a bushmaster ar15. neither ever failed due to lack of support to the weapon, on many occasions i would fire holding the weapon only by the pistol grip unsupported. that doesnt mean that it cant malfunction this way, but i havent ever seen it. i tend to believe nothing i hear, and only half of what i see. unless i hear about free food, them im there dude
    ~john
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    In infantry training post boot camp we used very old M1 rifles that had pretty weak operating rod springs. They would jam repeatedly when not firmly shouldered. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but it isn't always the gas system that causes stovepipes and FTF.
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