Webley Mark I

Discussion in 'The Ask the Pros & What's It Worth? Forum' started by Ken W, Aug 7, 2012.

  1. Ken W

    Ken W New Member

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    I discovered a really looking Webley Mark I today. I created a thread about it in the "buy/sale/trade" section. No way in hell I can afford $1,000 but I figure someone might. Certainly wish I could have taken it home though. :(
    Personally I like to hear opinions from anyone about what they think of it and when it might have been made.

    There's a lot of pictures in the sale thread that I took.

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  2. hrf

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    Not a "steal" at that price. 90% in USA have had the cylinder shaved for use with 45ACP in half-moon clips, and the Mark 1 was an 1880s black powder gun, not designed for the higher pressure of 45 Auto and jacketed bullets.
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    i've been thinking about a webley.. but had heard about the 45acp shaving for headspace. any way to tell by looking at them.. many sellers at shows are clueless .. and I don't usually have a micrometer with me... :)
  4. Ken W

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    Yeah, I know it's not exactly a bargain, hence why I'll never have it. It would have to be less than half of that for me to be able to afford it. :( This one supposedly is still in the original .455 caliber. Is there any way to determine the exact manufacture date? Where all of the Mark I pre-1899? If so that will make any transaction much easier with no need of paperwork.
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    anyone still making hte .455 ? perhaps prvi/pmi/pmc/ppu?
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    Seems that the thread I created in the for sale section has been deleted. Didn't notice that you're not supposed to have "commercial" ads.

    Edit: It's just as well since I no longer advise purchasing this. For more info see newer response on page 2 of this thread.

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    The excess headspace visible in the side view indicates the cylinder has been shaved, and an unshaved cylinder will still have factory markings on the face as this one does (2nd pic):

    http://www.gunsamerica.com/93026214...I/Great-Britain/Webley_Mk_VI_455_Cylinder.htm
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    ahh, so there would be a couple proofs on an un-shaved one.

    question.

    would it be possible to conver one back to .455 by merely repalcing the cylinder? or are there other changes made as well?

    thanks
  9. Ken W

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    One company is still making them for sure , as far as I can find anyway, is Fiocchi. They're listed as 455 webley MK-II ammo. Hornady did but not certain if they still do. The ammo is supposed to be very low powered but I would definitely keep in mind that the original Webely revolvers used black powder rounds so it might be best advised to hand load. I'm no authority on this of coarse. They might be fine, just not sure.


    http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/...-webley-mk-ii-262-gr-lrn-50-rds.aspx?a=606389
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    Sure, but hard to find and not cheap (note price of one I linked)
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    If you could find an original Mk1 cylinder, that would do it. But, then all you would have is a mismatched gun. (The cylinder is also numbered.)
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    Oh crap, I didn't know that. So this one has been altered. That's a shame. The guy at the shop is no expert in the least either. I'll have to inform him that it has been changed.
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    Was this the case right from the very first ones? I see that there is no serial number on the cylinder that I took pictures. That's a damn shame if so. Otherwise it's in such great shape. Why did people have to always alter things? Grrrrr.
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    Looks like the bigger screw, just under the barrel, is probably a replacement too. Look different than all of the others. I just looked at a bunch of pictures of other Mark I's and they show a rounded screw head on them.
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    see.. that's what I've run up against at shows. i knew people were headspacing htem for 45acp and it was common.. but the gus at the shows and shops.. you cna't trust them to know what they are selling.. :(
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    Yeah, that sucks. You practically have to carry a veritable encyclopedia of information and pictures with you along with a box full of tools. :(
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    yep.. already as it is i carry a bore light and a loop to see proofs and numbers.. plus my atf 5300 publication to check cr status and my crffl. starts getting tedius. ;)
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    Now, after seeing the other pictures, I'm not as sure about the serial number being on the cylinder face of Webleys.:eek:n I may be thinking of the .455 S&Ws

    The next question is if a MkVI cylinder is asking $175.00, what would a MkI bring? (They are different and the MkI's are really scarce.) Would it add 2 or 300 to the value? I have no idea....

    Added: Just remembered.... The serial number on the cylinder (at least on later Mks) is around the outside of the cylinder at the back edge. When the cylinder had been milled about the upper portion of this number is lost.
    (I noticed that the pictures shown have carefully(?) avoided showing this section of the cylinder.)
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    i did see some proofs on the face of a few cyls in some pics...
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    hrf nailed the ammo as to 455. I order it for a customer from time to time and trust me, NOT CHEAP AT ALL!!!! Te best is to buy a mold, cast your own bullets, buy brass, and load your own. Much cheaper that way. Starline was carrying the brass.

    As stated, where that one was shaved, value way high and safety is an issue. Replaceing cylinder only devalues it more or at least keeps it low as the shaving of the cylinder. I see them pop up at shows from time to time unshaved and in very good condition for in the $800 range and that is dealers tables at that.
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