"What do you tell people..."

Discussion in 'The Constitutional & RKBA Forum' started by vulcrider, Jan 9, 2011.

  1. Diamondback

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    I was raised around guns. My father, grandfather, all of my uncles and cousins owned firearms. I didn't know that there were people that didn't until I was 14 or 15 years old. I admire the workmanship that goes into creating a working firearem. Even more I am in awe of men like Colt, Browning, Garand and Mauser. Men who were capable of seeing in their mind exactly how each piece would work together before they ever built a firearm. Like many I enjoy placing a small piece of metal exactly, more or less, where I want, whether it is on paper or on game. I simply enjoy being able to pick up a firearm that is over 120 yrs old and use same to put meat in the freezer or punch a hole in the x-ring at 100yds. I know of no other complex piece of machinery that will still function with the same dependablity of the same age. Firearms are working pieces of art.
  2. cycloneman

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    perfect answer Alop, the only thing i can add is. Why do some women like inter***** sex? That will shut um up.
  3. SARG

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    How about... "Tools of a trade"

    or

    "Don't like being a sheep".

    or

    "Don't like living in denial".
  4. rainmaker

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    I tell them I like guns because I had been attacked by 3 different people (with a chair, a large rock and a knife) by the time I was in my late teens, and THEN I went to Viet Nam................

    The world is a dangerous place.
  5. jedwil

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    I tell my girlfriend when she complains I am carrying: when something bad happens you can hide and hope I will stand and fight.
  7. Helix_FR

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    My 5 year old asks me this all the time. I always ask him then why he like lawnmowers so much. He says its because how they work. Well same for me. I enjoy shooting very much but its the mechanics behind it that make is so fascinating to me. Sometimes I'd rather be working on a gun rather than shooting it. Why do you like old cars? Why do you like huge computer gaming systems? same deal its just that since we deal in something that society as deemed dangerous, it don't make sense to them.
  8. Rocketman1

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    My family never fired guns when I was a kid. My father had a couple of old shot guns and a boys 22 rifle stuffed away in the closet. He went hunting when he was a youngster, but when I was growing up, he never shot them. When I was a kid, I always thought they were guns that he brought back from the Korean Conflict.

    When my grandfather passed away my dad inherited an old Iver Johnson 38 revolver. Dad took me out when I was 16 or 17 and we shot it, once or twice. My dad would shoot that thing in single action with one hand, and he hit the bullseye every time. I inherited the gun when my father passed, and that is what got me into guns.

    The gun is for the most part worthless, but considering where it came from it is priceless to me. Grandpa got the gun on a trip out west in the early 1900's.

    A few years ago we had a few home invasions in our neighborhood, so I went out and bought some more modern guns. So for me shooting guns is for protection and for fun.
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  9. dge479

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    Honestly, I sucked at football and baseball, I dont like golf etc. One day a friend took me shooting whan I lived in Florida in the late 80s, and I was kinda natural at it. I just had a knack for it. Also just like old cars, I like the mechanics of the device. I like to fix them and clean them. Thats what got me started on it. I have really come to enjoy shooting and particularly like collecting WWII and cold war firearms.
    Its funny the 2 favorite hobies I have are muscle cars & guns, both are under constant attack and are just inanamate objects. Like the musclecars, firearms require great resposibility when operating, poor judgement or carelessness leads to trajedy.
    Some of these people need to answer why they like rum and coke or whatever they drink and explain why they like it and if they feel bad whenever a drunk kills someone behind the wheel. or substitute whatever their vice is. That was just an example I have no problem with some tossing a couple back.
  10. Hatch

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    I can put meat on my table.

    I can pass on to my nephews and share with my family and friends generations old knowledge of hunting and woodcraft skills.

    I can defend myself and my family, when seconds count the police are minutes away...
    There is no Police Dept that is required to respond to 911 calls, or that can divine the actual nature of a call when it comes in (a recent notable example, the 2 guys who were raping and murdering the wife and daughters while police set up a perimeter line expecting a call from the house about hostage negotiations)

    I agree completely with those comments about ignoring the blathering liberal idiots, they wont listen to facts, they've made up their minds ages ago and consider everyone who disagrees with them the root of the problem.

    You dont see the young republicans club burning down car dealerships, condo developments, any random city where the RNC has it's national meeting at, but you will see liberals doing all of that, and the police under the direction of the liberal politicians are defensive instead of aggressive and meanwhile, some store owners are losing all their stuff, someone's car is getting torched or turned over, "public owned" things like bus benches and trash cans are destroyed or rolled into streets to thwart the police with impromptu road blocks... and we're told it's hooligans or political unrest... the lame stream media is a major part of the problem, as is the fact so many people are willing to turn a blind eye to the real facts and problems in our society instead of face them.

    How many people here brag about getting out of Jury Duty by either just never answering the summons or finding some excuse the judge will buy into? How about the guy in the defendants seat... do you want him to have 12 liberals who have nothing better to do with their day since they are on the govt dole already or do you want him to have an advocate for the right to defend himself, family and property from criminals...

    what if it was you in that defendants chair, who would you want on the jury?

    guns are never the problem. criminals are the problem. unfortunately the left sports a massive landslide in the criminal category and they vote... I personally know people who call themselves passionate liberals and even socialists and they vote every time, and people who believe this nation is heading into chaos and it's darkest chapter and are gun enthusiasts but they wont vote.

    They talk about free speech but they want Fairness doctrine and NPR subsidies
    They talk about free speech but they want the 2nd removed, and everyone who owns guns either locked up or in some kind of reeducation camp
    They love how socialism is all the rage in Europe, and Canada, and yet blame us for failing Capitalism policies when they keep passing social programs that there's no money to pay for to bail out the people who dont and wont work for a living.
    They talk about security but they wont help make sure our borders are secure.. SOUTH mostly 99.99%, but North too.

    We have problems as a nation, but guns arent one of them or the cause of any of them.
  11. Jay

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    This has been on the internet for several years, but it's about the best response to "why own a gun" that I've seen.....

    Why The Gun is Civilized
    By Marko Kloos
    Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that’s it.
    In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.
    When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force. The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100 pound woman on equal footing with a 220 pound mugger, a 75 year old retiree on equal footing with a 19 year old gang banger, and a single gay guy on equal footing with a car load of drunken guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.
    There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we’d be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a (armed) mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger’s potential victims are mostly disarmed, either by choice or legislative fiat—it has no validity when most of a mugger’s potential marks are armed. People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that’s the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.
    Then there’s the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks or stones don’t constitute lethal force watch too much TV. There people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level. The gun is the only weapon that’s as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn’t work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn’t both lethal and easily employable.
    When I carry a gun, I don’t do so because I’m looking for a fight, but because I’m looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don’t carry because I’m afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn’t limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation….. And that’s why carrying a gun is a civilized act.
    “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” Benjamin Franklin
    “The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.” Thomas Jefferson
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    My response depends on who's asking, some have asked for very obvious and mean spirited reasons.
    For these, I have borrowed from the Jeepers favorite line (I like it anyway)
    "It's a gun thing, you wouldn't understand"
    Most of my debates with those who don't 'get it' has convinced me the average anti-gunny is poorly educated in our Constitution, though they may have been well educated in other things.
  13. manolora

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    I just joined tonight....few minites ago, and ALREADY discovered a kindred spirt. It's nice to be old and need absolutely NO justification for acquiring another one. Had lunch with another one today that I had just met...
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    Because they are the great equalizer. Also, I'm an engieer so I love the mechanics of something so highly refined.
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    My dad was small in stature and he spent most of his teen years on a ranch in Montana.
    His favorite expression was "the Good Lord made large people and the Good Lord made small people but Sam Colt made them all the same size".
    When I am carrying, I fear no man!
  18. Old Grump

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    All of the above depending on who and when/where the conversation is taking place but first and foremost it is the challenge of putting a small projectile into a small target at ridiculous range that keeps me coming back. The ability to do that took a long time to acquire and the ability to do it is better than any cold drink of water, any recreational beverage, any happy pill in anybody's medicine cabinet. An hour or three on the range keeps me healthy and helps preserve the safety and well being of people I really want to whack up alongside the head. A day in the woods or on the lake has the same effect but I can't indulge myself as often as I would like. I can always pick up a pistol or air gun and shoot without leaving my front porch. Loading up my gear and going to the range is better but its good any time anyplace. You have bourbon or whacky tobakky, I have shooting. My version of Yoga only noisier and I have shot up targets to show for it. :D
  19. graehaven

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    They are less dangerous than cars or doctors or hospitals or restaurant food - statistically.

    They are the great equalizer. They are serious fun!
  20. WABob

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    I recently become politically active in Washington State over the issue of using legally owned suppressors. While I had not given firearm suppressors much thought over the years, I had never assumed that they were immoral or illegal. Much to my surprise I have found that too many people not only assume that my new found hobby (I make suppressors) is illegal, but that is it is also weird or immoral to use a muffler on certain "machines".

    While I was used to hearing various media persons just making up "legal facts" to support their gun control agenda, it was different to hear these things from people I was talking to face to face. I have never seen such scorn heaped upon the use of an inanimate object as I do firearm sound suppressors. While most people I discuss it with agree that they are legal to own after I explain the law, some refuse to believe me or backpedal to "no one needs to use those things" argument.

    I once read that when a person tries to convince you that the government has already banned something you own, then the battle is already half lost and we do not need Congress trying to ban them in the future. A sad story to tell, but true.

    Fortunately most of the people I discuss guns with are receptive to new ideas. I especially enjoy showing people to how much they can enjoy the shooting sports. I’ll enjoy it even more if WA passes the suppressor use bill and I can use them without leaving the state. So all is not lost.........yet. :)
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