What Is A Marine

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  1. inplanotx

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    SixTGunr
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    Good friend of mine and former Marine came across this thread and I do not know whether any of you have ever seen this or not .....

    I know that I personally have not and after reading it I wanted to share it with all of my good friends here .....

    Both vets and civies .....

    I had a few goosebumps here and there and especially the section that dealt with the 5TH & 6TH Marine Regiments as I was a member of both during my four year career.

    RVN '67-'68: Golf 2/5
    USA '68-;70 Fox 2/6

    It is slightly lengthy but I believe you will find it an interesting read. Thanks and have a great day!

    By Daniel E. Sims
    GySgt, USMC (Ret.)

    Ask a Marine what's so special about the Marines and the answer would be "esprit de corps", an unhelpful French phrase that means exactly what it looks like - the spirit of the Corps. But what is that spirit, and where does it come from?

    The Marine Corps is the only branch of the U. S. armed forces that recruits people specifically to fight. The Army emphasizes personal development (an army of one), the Navy promises fun (let the journey begin), and the Air Force offers security (it's a great way of life). Missing from all of these advertisements is the hard fact that it is a soldier's lot to suffer and perhaps to die for his people, and to take lives at the risk of his own.

    Even the thematic music of the services reflects this evasion. The Army's Caisson Song describes a pleasant country outing over hill and dale, lacking only a picnic basket. Anchors Aweigh, the Navy's celebration of the joys of sailing, could have been penned by Jimmy Buffet. The Air Force song is a lyric poem of blue skies and engine thrust. All is joyful and invigorating, and safe.

    There are no landmines in the dales nor snipers behind the hills, no submarines or cruise missiles threaten the ocean jaunt, no bandits are lurking in the wild blue yonder.

    The Marines' Hymn, by contrast, is all combat. We fight our country's battles, first to fight for right and freedom, we have fought in every clime and place where we could take a gun, in many a strife we've fought for life.

    The choice is made clear. You may join the Army to go to adventure training, or join the Navy to go to Bangkok, or join the Air Force to go to computer school. You join the Marines to go to war.

    But the mere act of signing the enlistment contract confers no status in the Corps. The Army recruit is told from his first minute in uniform that "you're in the Army now, soldier". Navy and Air Force enlistees are sailors or airmen as soon as they get off the bus at the training center.

    The new arrival at Marine Corps boot camp is called recruit, or private, or worse (much worse), but not Marine. Not yet; maybe not ever. He or she must earn the right to claim the title, and failure returns you to civilian life without hesitation
    or ceremony.

    My recruit platoon, Platoon 2210 at San Diego, California, trained from October through December of 1968. In Vietnam the Marines were taking two hundred casualties a week, and the major rainy season operation, Meade River, had not even begun. Yet our drill instructors had no qualms about winnowing out almost a quarter of their 112 recruits, graduating eighty-one.

    Note that this was post- enlistment attrition; every one of those who were dropped had been passed by the recruiters as fit for service. But they failed the test of boot camp, not necessarily for physical reasons (at least two were outstanding high-school athletes for whom the calisthenics and running were child's play). The cause of their failure was not in the biceps nor the
    legs, but in the spirit. They had lacked the will to endure the mental and emotional strain, so they would not be Marines. Heavy commitments and high casualties notwithstanding, the Corps reserves the right to pick and choose.

    But the war had touched boot camp in one way. The normal twelve-week course of training was shortened to eight weeks. Deprived of a third of their training time, our drill instructors hurried over, or dropped completely, those classes without direct relevance to Vietnam. Chemical warfare training was abandoned. Swimming classes shrank to a single familiarization session.

    Even hand-to-hand combat was skimped. Three things only remained inviolate: close order drill, the ultimate discipline builder; marksmanship training, the heart of combat effectiveness; and classes on the history, customs and traditions of the Corps.

    History classes in boot camp? Stop a soldier on the street and ask him to name a battle of World War One. Pick a sailor at random to describe the epic fight of the Bon Homme Richard. Everyone has heard of McGuire Air Force Base, so ask any airman who Major Thomas B. McGuire was, and why he is so commemorated. I am not carping, and there is no sneer in this criticism.

    All of the services have glorious traditions, but no one teaches the young soldier, sailor or airman what his uniform means and why he should be proud to wear it.

    But ask a Marine about World War One, and you will hear of the wheatfield at Belleau Wood and the courage of the Fourth Marine Brigade. Faced with an enemy of superior numbers entrenched in tangled forest undergrowth, the Marines received an order to attack that even the charitable cannot call ill-advised. It was insane.

    Artillery support was absent and air support hadn't been invented yet, so the Brigade charged German machine guns with only bayonets, grenades and indomitable fighting spirit.

    A bandy-legged little barrel of a gunnery sergeant, Daniel J. Daly, rallied his company with a shout. "Come on, you sons a bitches! Do you want to live forever?"

    He took out three of those machine guns himself, and they would have given him the Medal of Honor except for a technicality. He already had two of them.

    French liaison officers, hardened though they were by four years of trenchbound slaughter, were shocked as the Marines charged across the open wheatfield under a blazing sun and directly into enemy fire. Their action was so anachronistic on twentieth-century battlefield that they might as well have been swinging cutlasses. But the enemy was only human; they couldn't stand up to this. So the Marines took Belleau Wood.

    Every Marine knows this story, and dozens more. We are taught them in boot camp as a regular part of the curriculum. Every Marine will always be taught them. You can learn to don a gas mask anytime, even on the plane en route to the war zone, but before you can wear the emblem and claim the title you must know of the Marines who made that emblem and title meaningful. So long as you can march and shoot and revere the legacy of the Corps, you can take your place in the line.

    And that line is unified in spirit as in purpose. A soldier wears branch of service insignia on his collar, and metal shoulder pins and cloth sleeve patches to identify his unit. Sailors wear a rating badge that identifies what they do for the Navy. Marines wear only the eagle, globe and anchor, together with personal ribbons and their cherished marksmanship badges.

    There is nothing on a Marine's uniform to indicate what he or she does, nor (except for the 5th and 6th Regiments who wear a French fourragere for Belleau Wood) what unit the Marine belongs to. You cannot tell by looking at a Marine whether you are seeing a truck driver, a computer programmer, or a machine gunner.

    The Corps explains this as a security measure to conceal the
    identity and location of units, but the Marines penchant for publicity makes that the least likely of explanations. No, the Marine is amorphous, even anonymous (we finally agreed to wear nametags only in 1992), by conscious design.

    Every Marine is a rifleman first and foremost, a Marine first, last and always. You may serve a four-year enlistment or even a twenty-year career without seeing action, but if the word is given you'll charge across that wheatfield.

    Whether a Marine has been schooled in automated supply, or automotive mechanics, or aviation electronics, is immaterial. Those things are secondary - the Corps does them because it must. The modern battle requires the technical appliances, and since the enemy has them, so do we. But no Marine boasts mastery of them. Our pride is in our marksmanship, our discipline, and our membership in a fraternity of courage and sacrifice.

    "For the honor of the fallen, for the glory of the dead", Edgar Guest wrote of Belleau Wood, "the living line of courage kept the faith and moved ahead."

    They are all gone now, those Marines who made a French farmer's little wheatfield into one of the most enduring of Marine Corps legends. Many of them did not survive the day, and eight long decades have claimed the rest.

    But their action has made them immortal. The Corps remembers them and honors what they did, and so they live forever. Dan Daly's shouted challenge takes on its true meaning - if you hide in the trenches you may survive for now, but someday you will die and no one will care. If you charge the guns you may die in the next two minutes, but you will be one of the immortals.

    All Marines die, in the red flash of battle or the white cold of the nursing home. In the vigor of youth or the infirmity of age all will eventually die, but the Marine Corps lives on. Every Marine who ever lived is living still, in the Marines who claim the title today. It is that sense of belonging to something that will outlive your own mortality that gives people a light to live by and a flame to mark their passing.

    Marines call it esprit de corps !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Semper Fi jarheads

    Six Out!




    hope6970
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    Good post, however there are a few things that I would take exception to.

    No matter what part of the military an individual was in, we all have our little cloud that we all ride.

    Is there anyone else that has something that they would like to post, as to why they believe their branch of service was the best??

    Let's hear it guys, this could be a very interesting topic.


    Hope

    berto64
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    The Army, when I was in, didn't brag about itself, it just did the job required in a proficient manner. No 'Look at what WE did' we just did it without fanfare.
    I in no way wish to take away from the Corps history or 'espre de corp'. It just gets a little old, especially in November. LOL
    Some of my closest friends these days are Marine Corp vets.
    and without a couple of those guys my healing would not be near as good as it has been.

    Semper Fi! Marines

    berto
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    SixTGunr
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    Did'nt mean for it to appear to "get a little old" and yes I would agree with you that we Jarheads tend to brag a bit now and then .....

    What can I say other than "we're damn proud of our organization" and we like to tell folks about it.

    As for the month of November .....

    Well its unfortunate that Veterans Day was placed right smack next to the day of the Marine Corps Birthday and we Marines not only honor "our own" on that day but the others (or branches if you were) as well on Veterans Day as what was quoted from another friend of mine who "said it all" and ..... who (I'm sorry to say) happens to be a former Marine but I wholeheartedly agree with what he said .....

    And .....

    Even though we are proud of our (as in Marines) accomplishments I don't know of any "ONE" Marine that does'nt feel the same as I and my friend here when he said .....

    Quote:

    "Happy Birthday Marines! And a very happy Veteran's Day to all veterans of all branches. If it wasn't for the teamwork of all, this country wouldn't be where it is today. United! Semper-Fi!"

    If I am fortunate enough to be alive and around next year during the month of November I will keep it simple and merely wish for all a Happy Thanksgiving and let it go at that.

    My initial post which included the words of another was not done with the intentions of "slamming" any of the other branches of service or their personnel .....

    Six




    hope6970
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    Alright, let's backup and regroup here a bit!

    Perhaps I started something that is beginning to be mis-construed here.

    I was not slamming or degrading anyone.......the idea that I had in mind was the good ole bantering back and forth of each of us that was in the different branches.

    Why Get So Serious???????????? Can't anyone have a little fun and not come off so serious all the time???????????

    I don't know berto personally but I have read enough of his posts to know that he in no way, shape or form would start downgrading anyone on here, at least of all a Marine.

    I also like the Marines, I love the Marines, I respect what they do and have done.

    Come on, ENOUGH!

    I apologize to you Six and anyone else that I have offended.

    I am sorry I posted the post I made above and next time I will weigh my posts more carefully.

    Hope



    TallTLynn
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    Six, you go on being just the way you are - we really and truly don't mind.

    I for one have always thought that the rivalry between forces (but only in good fun) has been part of what helped make this country great.

    I'm proud of the Marines, the Army, the Navy, the Air Force, the Coast Guard, and all who have served and are serving today - no matter under what guise.

    Though not having gone through the military myself I still say Semper Fi to all here who have served!

    SixTGunr
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    If it was implied in my post that I or anyone in particular was downgraded by anyone here then you all have "my" apologies .....

    They say that "Silence is Golden" as was the same on many an ambush that I took part in .....

    Guess I'm just another one of them Jarheads that did'nt know when to keep his mouth shut .....

    My apologies and it seems an appropriate time to crawl back into the bunker .....

    In the meantime .....

    Go Army!
    Go Navy!
    Go Air Force!
    Go Seabees!











    TallTLynn
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    SixTGunr - if my post gave you that idea then I'm obviously not any good at expressing an opinion about anything.

    Think I'll just go away for a bit and do something different.

    Sorry to have bothered you.

    Tac401
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    (11/16/02 9:39:33 pm)

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    C'mon folks, lighten up, noone meant anything about or
    directed towards anyone or any branch of service.

    This post was meant in good fun, and I truly see it that
    way, hell, the thought never even crossed MY mind that
    any of you were upset, everyone take a deep breath,
    re-evaluate, relax, come back and take it light.

    You folks are all tight with each other, you mean to tell
    me that you folks are gonna just walk out on one another
    over a simple little misunderstanding??? Nah, I ain't gonna
    believe that for one milisecond, you folks care for each other
    too much for that to happen, and you've all given and
    continue to give support to each other to let a goofy thing
    like this'n come between ya's, right???

    This place and the people who visit it count on and look
    forward to seeing you all here and jabber jaw'in! Good
    things are on the horizon, as some of you are aware of,
    so get your butts back here, there are folks who count
    on all of you here, me included!

    Everyone counts round here, all of you!

    Tac/JD
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    hope6970
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    Hey Six, is there room in there for another in that bunker?? lol,lol If there is, mind scooting over and sharing?

    BTW, since I am sitting here jawing with you.....ahum....I do think you forgot someone on that list you made.....you know who it was? You forgot, Ma...Ma...Marines??? lol

    Hey, I know what...... perhaps we can invite a few others and tell more stories. Game?

    Hope

    cricket328
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    Can I jump in the bunker too? I'd rather be jawin with you guys than here stressing over my family!! *lol*

    Chris

    Tac401
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    Sure ya can Cricket!

    C'mon Ms. T and you too Six and all of ya, Cheif done
    carved us out a nice roomy new bunker here, it's even
    got a ceeement pond too!

    O'l LTS got the grill fired up and he's cookin some mighty
    tastey fresh road kill, even Bubba Nutz is gonna be there!




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    cricket328
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    Thanks Tac!! I have a recipe here for GI Stew. That road kill will fit in just fine!!

    Chris

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    Good Morning Troops. You know, it's probably the age thing---I'm not as fast on my feet as I once was---(example, hitting the bunker or whatever fighting hole was available when incoming started bracketing our little hunk of real estate). Not as quick on sensitive situations either---trying to discern why conversation ceases when you enter the room---you know what I mean, or worse yet, to have the conversation continue but in some forigne lingo you don't comphrend. You simply have to respond, "you dumb, insensitive old bastard---you just don't understand what's going on---you never were the sharpest knife in the drawer"!!! Is there a family tiff going on here---who and why and what---forgive me if I don't understand and also forgive me if I'm reading something that isn't there. Of course, both you and I know these little bruh-ha-ha's will come to life---just yesterday the bride got 'sideways' with me about putting some nasty clothes in the hamper---noooooooooo!!!!, it was nothing like that---I had been out vacuuming leaves and talk about dust---then I got those dusty duds wet from washing down the patio, and yes, they were simply put 'MUDDY"!!! Took my tongue-lashing like a pitiful 'whupped pup' and bounced right back and took her out to dinner last evening. OK, tell me I'm forgiven for even thinking there was a family fracus brewing---if you wanna mix it up, go down to that tavern where that motorcycle gang hangs out---tip their bikes over or just yell out that "HARLEY'S SUCK"!!! Enjoy your Sunday. Wilborn

    TYRVR
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    The Army has "Forts"
    The Navy has "Stations"
    The Air Force has "Bases"
    The Marines have "Camps"

    Yes, I said "Camps",.....you know, with counselors, canoeing, weenies and marshmallows by the "Camp" fire? Whats that you say Mr. President?...defend our nation?....SURE! but first, everyone join hands.........
    Kum-Ba-Yaaaa.....Kum-Ba-Yaaaa........
    DOWN WITH GRAVITY!

    hope6970
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    nope Chief, no tiff......but it sure sounds like you had a good one...lol, lol

    TY, good one...lol To think about it, does anyone have any marshmallows, peanut butter and some crackers????? If LTS is coming and bringing all that road kill and Chris is adding to the menu.......someone better bring some Pepto Bismo!

    Hope

    Tac401
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    LOL@TY!

    Good idea Cricket!

    Good one Ty, and good wishes to all of you!

    Tac/JD
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    TYRVR
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    The very best meals I had in my time in country, were served at the U.S.Embassy in Pnomh Penh, whenever I showed up night or day, the Jar Heads kicked somebody up and I ate steak and baked potatoe, ice cream,anything they had, got to take a shower and read some mail, I never had anything to trade or give back, just my thanks and good wishes for their safe return home. Semper Fidelis Mud Duck, go ahead and crow if you feel like it,
    DOWN WITH GRAVITY!

    Tac401
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    What a nice thing to hear Ty, says a lot and goes to
    show the point that no matter the branch, you are all
    of one tree!

    Brothers & Sisters In Arms! One Big Family!

    Thanks Ty! Please With Us My Friend!
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    berto64
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    (11/18/02 2:37:26 pm)

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    Six,
    No offence intended to you or the corp. Just friendly BSing.
    My apologies to all.

    berto
    Endeaver to Persevere
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    y'all crack me up! I love this site more everyday. ya forgot angs and coasties lol. glad im part of this site it keeps me laughing, a thing i didnt do for many years . ooohraah!
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    "What Is A Marine ?"

    That's easy enough to answer .... a Marine is who/what I want watching my "6" when
    the SHTF !
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    The best employee a Sailor ever had.;)

    Semper Fi Marines.:cool:
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    OH REALLY ? I didnt chip any paint hanging over the side. hmmmm I did hang over the side a bit, hope i didnt get ya hahahahaha good one red hhahahaha thanks bellhop.
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    Dang, Dad, you sure dug out an ancient posting from the archieves...That original posting by The Gunner was almost 10 years ago...Many, in fact most, of the troops that participated in the patter back then have departed...I've not heard from Gunner in a number of years....Hope, the former Army gal and her husband Roy correspond with me occasionally ....so much water under the bridge...the world, and our beloved country, was so different back then...I suppose you've noted that I've not been on here so much lately...still having that problem of not being able to copy and paste with my new computer...Waiting for my son-in-law to come by and put it in order for me. The heat here in the desert is intense this year...local organizations carry and distribute drinking water around to the parks for the homeless and there are lots of them nowadays. Gasoline prices had gone down here in the valley to about 3.25 per gallon...food prices however have continued to increase and there are more abandoned homes and dreams than ever. Makes one ponder that if prayers are even working anymore...Sent a 'care package' to grandson Bryan in Afghanistan recently...We sent the large, pre-priced postal service box with all the goodies it's recommended they can use or share..The 14.95 large box had 2 bucks off for the military address...from mailing time here in Arizona to his reciept of the box in Afghanistan was only 8 days! I suppose I mentioned previously that Bryan elected the Army for service...I certainly wanted to carry on the long family tradition of the NAVY SEABEES but I was up against the choice of his wife, a former Army vet herself...Hey all of you troopers, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, whatever service it was....Chief
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