What this election is about.

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  1. 45silverback

    45silverback New Member

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    I ask once again.... The alternative?
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    There is an invitation from my friends to come see the Republican "RESTORE AMERICA" bus as it tours my area.

    I am troubled by this.

    If the GOP wants to "Restore America" to what it was in 2008, after 8 years of the last Republican President, G.Bush II, then we are all in BIG TROUBLE! On the other hand, if the GOP wants to "Restore America" to what it was before the last Republican President took office then that's more like it...... oh yea, that was Bill Clinton's presidency......
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    I cannot answer that for you. The answer is simple, but requires a commitment to principle, not to empty rhetoric.

    There is an alternative, but few will exercise it.
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    Oh yea, that was when the REPUBLICANs controlled congress and billy boy was selfish (smart) enough to go along with Newt and the republicans as he could then claim it was he that had the good ideas like welfare reform and a budget surplus (of course after you leave a sh1t load of items off budget to make it seem there was a surplus). You going to praise billy boy for that or are you going to recognize that Newt and the republicans did it.
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    This is a two edged sword; If you claim that Newt and the Republicans were responsible for Bill Clinton's success, then I suppose you are also going to recognize that George Bush II and the Republicans were at fault for the expensive blunders in Iraq and the great crash of 2007?
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    I'm talking about an alternative that actually stands a chance in Nov. Not throwing away a vote.
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    You can say what you want about Iraq and I won't try to second guess those that were in charge at the time. Having been in a position to watch the 73 A/I war progress I know there's more to these things than you or I as civilians can be aware of.

    I won't at all put the blame on Bush for the crash. That goes to the demonrats and their forcing banks and mortgage companies to make loans to people that couldn't afford it. Not to say the republicans are blameless but Bush tried on at least two occasions to get that whole home mortgage mess under control and was rebuffed by the demonrats.
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    Voting FOR something/someone is not throwing one's vote away. It is one of the principles of freedom this country was founded upon.

    Presuming that someone should vote as you do, or else they are "throwing their vote away" is a logical fallacy.
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    Nope, voting for a third party candidate that cannot win is throwing your vote away. Especially in this election. There are two candidates in 2012, Obama and Romney. Pick one or throw your vote in the trash.

    You are either, part of the problem or part of the solution. Obama is the problem, a third party looser is not part of the solution.
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    +1
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    What? banks forced to make bad loans? Not on this planet. But then, if you are calling Democrates "demonrats" I would not expect objective fact checking. :rolleyes:
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    Yes, banks were and are forced to give loans to "poverty" level home buyers knowing they cannot be paid back. Look it up, start with Janet Reno.
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    False. Show me your proof if you have any.
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    Goes back to Carter, the CRA, and ACORN. Unfortunately that was only part of the problem, the other part was the selling of sub prime loans to other banks, Fannie and Freddie. The breaking point came during the Clinton administration when his policies encouraging minority loans in spite of their ability to pay on top of the bubble of a housing boom then the Bush years of deficit spending to fight two wars was to much. The bubble burst and the banks went from bending over backwards to help people to eating the people alive and forcibly taking their assets with or without justification. There has been no balance. There is no single fault but ACORN pressure on banks sure did not help.
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    Clinton absolutely put a man in charge of fannie/freddie and told him to even the playing field. He wanted those who were less fortunate to have the same opportunity's as everyone else. His man Franklin Raines also walked away from that job a millionare.... many loans were made to folks who could not afford them. This was not the first of it but it was the absolute worst of it. It created the housing mess that we are still paying for to this very day. Look it up....there is plenty of proof.
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    Look up , Community Reinvestment Act, 1977---Democrat Jimmy Carter
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    These are the leading culprits who actually caused the subprime
    mortgage collapse which then caused the current worldwide deep recession

    1. Jimmy Carter pushed for and signed into law the
    Community Reinvestment Act which forced banks to
    lower their standards so that previously unqualified
    people could get a mortgage.

    2. Bill Clinton then doubled-down on the Community Reinvestment
    Act and greatly lowered mortgage standards to
    allow a lot more unqualified borrowers to get loans.

    3. Bill Clinton’s Attorney General, Janet Reno, then intimidated
    banks with threats of legal action if they
    did not give loans to unqualified borrowers who
    would not have the income to pay the loans back.

    4. A member of the Clinton administration, Franklin Raines
    was then put in charge of Fannie Mae by Bill Clinton. Fannie
    Mae bought up a majority of the bad loans made by
    banks to unqualified borrowers. Raines then falsified Fannie
    Mae financial reports so he could collect bonuses
    which totaled over $90 million for 5 years.

    5. Senator Chris Dodd, head of the Senatorial Financial
    Committee, suppressed efforts by President
    George W. Bush and congressional Republicans to
    rein in the corruption at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
    He got a very favorable loan by a bank associated
    with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. He got large political
    campaign contributions from Fannie Mae and
    Freddie Mac.

    6. Barney Frank, head of the House of Representatives
    Banking Committee, also suppressed efforts by President
    George W. Bush and Congressional Republicans to
    investigate corruption at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

    7. Barack Obama, while he was an attorney, filed lawsuits
    against banks on behalf of ACORN in order to
    force banks to give loans to people who could not afford
    to pay them back. Obama, while he was a U.S.
    Senator, also suppressed efforts by President George
    W. Bush and Republican Congressmen to investigate
    and rein in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
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