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What Would the Founding Fathers Think

Discussion in 'The Constitutional & RKBA Forum' started by Terry_P, Jul 7, 2010.

  1. Terry_P

    Terry_P New Member

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    Good read by conservative commentator Walter Williams

    http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/founders-256419-people-congress.html

    The celebration of our founders' 1776 revolt against King George III and the English Parliament is over. Let's reflect how the Founders might judge today's Americans and how today's Americans might judge them.

    In 1794, when Congress appropriated $15,000 to assist some French refugees, James Madison, the acknowledged father of our Constitution, stood on the floor of the House to object, saying, "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." He later added, "(T)he government of the United States is a definite government, confined to specified objects. It is not like the state governments, whose powers are more general. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government." Two hundred years later, at least two-thirds of a multi-trillion-dollar federal budget is spent on charity or "objects of benevolence."

    What would the Founders think about our respect for democracy and majority rule? Here's what Thomas Jefferson said: "The majority, oppressing an individual, is guilty of a crime, abuses its strength, and by acting on the law of the strongest breaks up the foundations of society." John Adams advised, "Remember democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide." The Founders envisioned a republican form of government, but as Benjamin Franklin warned, "When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."

    What would the Founders think about the U.S. Supreme Court's 2005 Kelo v. City of New London decision where the court sanctioned the taking of private property of one American to hand over to another American? John Adams explained: "The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence. If 'Thou shalt not covet' and 'Thou shalt not steal' were not commandments of Heaven, they must be made inviolable precepts in every society before it can be civilized or made free."

    Thomas Jefferson counseled us not to worship the U.S. Supreme Court: "(T)he opinion which gives to the judges the right to decide what laws are constitutional and what not, not only for themselves in their own sphere of action but for the Legislature and Executive also in their spheres, would make the Judiciary a despotic branch."

    How might our Founders have commented about last week's U.S. Supreme Court's decision upholding our rights to keep and bear arms? Justice Samuel Alito, in writing the majority opinion, said, "Individual self-defense is the central component of the Second Amendment." The Founders would have responded "Balderdash!" Jefferson said, "What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms."
    George Mason explained, "(T)o disarm the people (is) the best and most effectual way to enslave them." Noah Webster elaborated: "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed. ... The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive."
    Contrary to Alito's assertion, the central component of the Second Amendment is to protect ourselves from U.S. Congress, not street thugs.
    Today's Americans have contempt for our Founders' vision. I'm sure our Founders would have contempt for ours.
  2. wpage

    wpage Active Member

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    WWJD...
    "Sell your coat and get a sword"
  3. graehaven

    graehaven Well-Known Member

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    I'm not going to "say" on here what I think the Founders would either think, or do, concerning our present situation. I think we all "know" what the founders would do were they in our shoes. Mmmmm? :eek::mad::D
  4. JBozeman

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    I'm afraid people by the droves are asleep in this country. The founders would be weeping uncontrollably.

    When giving his centennial address to Congress in 1876, President James Garfield issued the following warning:
    “Now, more than ever before, the people are responsible for the character of their Congress. If that body be ignorant, reckless, and corrupt, it is because the people tolerate ignorance, recklessness, and corruption. If it be intelligent, brave, and pure, it is because the people demand these high qualities to represent them in the national legislature…If the next centennial does not find us a great nation…it will be because those who represent the enterprise, the culture, and the morality of the nation do not aid in controlling the political forces.”

    Multitude just don't see a problem. They may wake up in the next 24 months or so when they can't pay their taxes, when sites like this are shut down and anybody who diagrees to any degree will be dealt with quickly, and when the Socialist State is in place, they will barge into our homes and seize what we have when they want to because the State is priority not the people.

    Churchill said it well: “Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.”

    We owe the Founders an appology for the poor Stewardship or the Gift they gave us and let's not forget the same to God for He gave us the Founders.

    Now having said all that, I am headed to prayer meeting and I am about to start dealing with this intensively with my church. (Probably not healthy for me to type that here as I'm sure that there are Government Trolls on here as well) Even in Church when you bring this up sometimes you hear laughter comparable to what Noah must have heard. The important thing to remember is that, by God's grace, his ship didn't sink!

    Thanks for reading my rant
    Still Great to be and American and be free at the moment!
  5. navis128

    navis128 New Member

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    Yes, I think we all know what The Founders would do...

    But it's not just them...I think we would get a tongue lashing from the Americans who were slaves and indentured servants...and what could we say?

    And what I mean here is that we would be getting a scolding from every side :(
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  6. 45nut

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    What Would Jefferson Do?

    Water the tree ya idgits!!!!!!!!
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