What would you take to battle?

Discussion in 'General Military Arms & History Forum' started by Ursus, Aug 21, 2006.

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What would you take to battle?

Poll closed Aug 24, 2006.
  1. M-1 Garand

    8 vote(s)
    66.7%
  2. Thompson SMG

    2 vote(s)
    16.7%
  3. BAR

    2 vote(s)
    16.7%
  4. 1941 Johnson

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. Ursus

    Ursus Active Member

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    The 3 of us couldn't be more agree about History and how important its study should be, and how sad it is that most people don't care about it!!
  2. Very true, Bear. And by the way, thanks for joining in our debates here. Both Polish and I love it when we can get other intelligent and well-informed people involved in the discussions we have.

    As a college teacher, I so very often encounter the problem you refer to, Bear. So many of my students come to me with a negative impression of history. They think it is nothing more than dusty, old, irrelevant facts and dates. Most of them have only had exposure to history through their "social studies" classes in high school, and those are virtually worthless. I think part of my job is to show just how wrong that impression is, and usually, I succeed. The advantage of teaching in college is that I can tell it like it really was, both the nice stuff and the ugly stuff. I teach history within a context of the situations and events of today, i.e., I try to show history's relevance to the things happening all around us. How can one understand, for example, the troubles in South and Central America today without an understanding of the Spanish conquest and the independence movements of the 19th and 20th centuries? How can one judge the situation in the Balkan states without understanding the Ottomans and the ethnic turmoil that has been going on in that region for five centuries and more?
  3. Marlin

    Marlin *TFF Admin Staff Chief Counselor*

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    I am in agreement with all each of you three have discussed.

    BTW, my undergraduate degree is in History, with an emphasis on American History, with a minor in Psychology. After much thought, I felt privileged to have had Mason Gross as my Senior Advisor during junior and senior years. At that time he was Provost, before serving as President. O, was he ever liberal, but unlike most of the other Rutgers Professors, he was very tolerant of other views than his own. We were very good friends from my days in college until his death: I, the died in the wool ultra-conservative and he, the typical ultra-liberal, communist, socialist and globalist, at that early date before it became fashionable..... (yuk!)

    I learned of his tolerances first hand, when I wrote my Senior Dissertation on "How Roosevelt betrayed the free world at Yalta". I fully expected him to give me a "5" and to either have to do it over or write on another subject. Instead, when the paper was returned it had a big "1" on the cover and the only comment inside was, "How did you feel about this before you started writing? He also complimented me on my "...well done research..." and "...meticulous documentation". Didn't change his mind, though. That, I think, was the greatest "A" that I have ever received before or since !!!!!
  4. It is interesting that you mention that, Marlin. I had a similar experience many years ago with one of my philosophy instructors. He was a flaming Left Coast liberal and I a member of the California College Republicans and the small pro-Vietnam War movement on campus. Now remember, this was in the mid-60s at the height of the Vietnam War with anti-war rallies going on almost daily in the campus Plaza. Anyway, we disagreed on just about everything political and had many, many fine arguments, both inside and outside of class. What made Dr. Kessler special, though, was his willingness to look at and consider an opposite viewpoint. I once wrote a paper for him that heavily attacked the whole Johnson "War on Poverty" program as being a socialist trap that would bankrupt the U.S. Like you, I fully expected no more than a "C" on the paper. When it came back with an "A" I about fell out of my chair! Yes, he did state clearly that he disagreed with me, but he also complimented me heavily for the arguments I presented. Indeed, it was this man who sparked my interest in philosophy. I went on to take several courses from him, and yes, we still argued about almost everything! :D
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  5. jerrybeaumont

    jerrybeaumont New Member

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    seems be be a loaded question,but in any enviroment and 3 man team.
    a good bolt action high caliber 308
    shotgun with buck
    low cal belt machine gun,so can pac ammo,5.56

    **** can the hand guns,and other weapons,will get them along the way
  6. Ursus

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    I had this philosophy teacher at the university who was of right wing persuassion, but we didn't realize it at the time because he was always very impartial. The only exception to this was when one of my classmates made an apology of Hitler. Mr. Flores was fumming!!. By the way, eventually he became President of El Salvador. (The teacher, that is). And about me joining your debates, I'm honored but I'm would't dare to be so bold. I'm just enjoying an learning from you.
  7. jerrybeaumont

    jerrybeaumont New Member

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    jap 99,or mp 38
    being alone,i would infiltrate,belong,and do the most damage i could .untill my troups came along
  8. jerrybeaumont

    jerrybeaumont New Member

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    a real reason why to your question.
    1) the bar,its not realy a machine gun ,and not realy a rifle
    worthless in a one man crew
    2) the johnson,great rifle if clean works on short recoil,and clip prone to dammage,shot recoil prone to jam in dirt,worthless also
    3) the grand ,everyone picked it,not me,it is a great rifle 30-06
    but 8 round clip,this is ww2 right !!!
    4) thopmson is king,on field or urben,can reach 100 yards if have to,
    and close hell on wheels
  9. jerrybeaumont

    jerrybeaumont New Member

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    I like (KISS) keep it simple stupid and answere the dam question
  10. jerrybeaumont

    jerrybeaumont New Member

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    this is why polititons dont fight,and send other people off to die
  11. jerrybeaumont

    jerrybeaumont New Member

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    in the name of freedom'for everyone and all rights,
    all i have to say.
    war is crewl,and should never become,with people dieing.
    if the politacle people are so great at there job,and you are not,
    people die,because you failed,and thats life
  12. bubbatalk77

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    If I was going to take a rifle to battle, it would be an m14 with a decent synthetic stock.
  13. stash247

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    In WWII, or any other conflict, Just four things; both my Senators, my Congressman, and lots of Sour Mash Whiskey.
    Draggin' their asses into the real world would eliminate a lot of conflicts, even faster than the Enola Gay did, at the end of WWII.
  14. SKYDIVER386

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    If I were in the European theater, the M-1 Garand. In the Pacific, the M-1 carbine, but it wasn't one of the choices.
  15. Xracer

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    Meanwhile, back at the original question.....

    I'd take a Mark 7, 16 inch/50 caliber Naval Rifle.

    Get within 18 miles of me, and your butt is hamburger! :D :D :D
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