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What's best for first gun?

Discussion in '.22-Rimfire Forum' started by Stoop14, Sep 26, 2010.

  1. Stoop14

    Stoop14 New Member

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    I live up in Canada and am wondering what my first gun should be, a 22lr or that w one? A 410 shotgun? A 306? Pretty much just for small game and targets for the first year next year will be moose ect..
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    the best to start with is a 22LR if you dont have a lot of experience with larger guns. because a 22 lr doesnt kick very much it allows you to develop good marksmanship skills and habits. with a gun that kicks hard and makes a roaring boom a new shooter, while they might not be afraid of the gun, often will develop a flinch.

    the other main reason for starting with a 22 is cost of ammunition. i dont know what the cost of ammo is in canada, but around here (kentucky) 500 rounds of 22Lr is 20 dollars, while 30-06 ammo is 1 dollar a shot. so there is no way most people can afford to practice as much as needed to develop good shooting habits and marksmanship ability when faced with the astronomical cost of ammunition.

    but for yourself, or for anyone else reading this... dont get the impression a 22 is just for beginners. seasoned, veteran shooters love their 22's. a 22 is not just a training tool, it is also perfect for hunting many varieties of small game, it is quite accurate and normally, very reliable. but the main reason people shoot 22's is that they are FUN.

    when it comes time to hunt moose... well, you'll need something larger. i dont know much about moose so i ant really give a good suggestion for rifle or caliber.

    welcome to the forum and God bless you

    ~john
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    John is absolutely correct!

    BTW, a .410 is NOT a beginner's gun! The small shot charges make it difficult to hit with. They are actually guns for well-seasoned and experienced shooters.
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    I like John's suggestion, a .22 rifle is a great gun to learn basics on, and also for pistols. Same reasons he cited, ammo cost, availability and it fits your needs for now, small game and learning skills
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    Thanks for the welcome, I'll mostly be hunting grouse, maybe some rabbits whats the best gun for grouse hunting? I was told a shut gun is better to hunt grouse with? Also my gun dealer showed me the 10/22 ruger and a cz 455 standard, but he has lots of different 22's like marlin 795 semi auto also a m60, mind you the 455 standard is about 2x the cost of the ruger and martins. What would be best?
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    a shotgun is best for bird hunting. while if it is legal and safe to do so where you'll be hunting it is possible to hunt birds with a 22. it is not something most people are capable of doing.

    the ruger 10-22 is an excellent gun, it has many parts available for it. the marlin 795 and 60 are also good guns. all of the model 60s i have seen have the comb too high. (where you rest your cheek) if it's too tall you'll have to scrunch your face down on the stock to see the sights properly, it will be uncomfortable and will hurt your cheek. so with that gun it's best to use a scope in my opinion.

    i would go with the ruger 10-22. you'll be able to scope it if you desire later on, but the iron sights are good solid, usable sights
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    what about the bolt action cz 455?
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    I have a Ruger 10/22 like John suggested, and I love it, but I wouldn't recommend it for a first gun. It's a lot of fun to shoot, but making one particularly accurate is expensive, and autoloading firearms tend to lead beginners to fire more shots to make a hit rather than working on accuracy (I've found myself prone to doing this, too, and I've been shooting since my age wasn't even two digits).

    I would recommend a good bolt-action or lever-action .22 LR as a first firearm. CZ makes great guns, but they're not inexpensive. Mossberg and Savage both make less pricey guns, but they're not as good.

    I don't know if they're widely available in Canada, but used Remington, Marlin, Winchester guns can be found here for as little as $75 or less.
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    the cz 455 will serve you very good if you dont mind the extra cost. but josh is right. having a semi auto does tend to lead to wasting ammo instead of learning to make the first shot count every time.
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    ya i keep reading that the 10/22 are great but to make really accurate you need to spend allot of money in after market prices, i just want something out of the box i can through a scope on and go have some fun targets and small game. Also i know this is the .22 forum but what is a good bang for your buck shotgun to get for grouse hunting?
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    dont let josh or anyone else fool you. a ruger is plenty accurate out of the box. super accurate is not needed for hunting, plinking and having fun. an out of the box ruger will be able to hit a 1" target at 50 yards. probably with cheap ammo, but definitely with good ammo. but a super accurate modded ruger will shoot a 1/4 inch group at 50 yards.

    just starting out shooting you're not going to be able to shoot good enough to utilize a super accurate gun. an average gun will probably shoot better then you are able to. i can hit a bottle cap off hand with a 22 rifle at 25 yards. while that isn't amazing it is a lot better then most people. but still isn't as good as most guns can shoot. off a rest i can test a gun for accuracy but when hunting or plinking you dont have a rest.

    for an inexpensive shotgun for grouse hunting i would suggest an NEF single shot shotgun. But if you think the gun will pull home defense duty as well i would recommend a pump.

    the single shot NEF would run around 100 around here used
    a maverick pump would run no more then 150
    a remington 870 is around 250
    a mossberg around 200-250

    all these are local prices for used guns around here. but any of these guns i would feel comfortable with hunting or defending my life with. the single shot will not give you a fast follow up shot, but it is extremely rugged and hard to break even in the back country.
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    You might want to think ahead to your "moose rifle". It's probably going
    to be a 30 caliber or larger. Bolt action is probably the most common,
    although there are good lever action, pump and semi-auto's that would
    work nicely.

    Figure out what your moose gun is going to be next year, then get a 22
    that is the same action type, and as close to the size and weight as you
    can get.

    No offense--but it sounds like you are a total newbie to guns. You have any family or friends that shoot? Any shooting ranges locally that offer basic
    gun training? You can get a lot from forums like this, the internet in general,
    magazines and books----but nothing beats a little hands on experience.
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    Nope don't know anyone
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    Oh, I'm happy with the accuracy of my 10/22; I didn't mean to give that impression. But my 60+ year old Remington 512 is more accurate. And it's definitely the better choice for teaching accuracy.

    As far as shotguns, I'm preferential to the Remington 870, but my grandfather was a Remington man, and it wore off on me. The Mossbergs are also quite nice. 12 or 20 gauge either one, with slugs, will take a moose if you're close enough to hit well. (Not your best option, but it will do in a pinch.)
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    i had a remington 41 for a few years. i sure regret selling it too. it was very accurate. much more then a stock 10-22.
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