Whats the difference between pre and post ban ?

Discussion in 'The Pre-Ban Forum' started by Zigzag2, Feb 27, 2003.

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    TF118
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    (1/15/03 8:58:40 pm)
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    Guess I'm a little behind on the issue but now I'm getting into collecting military type weapons, so for starters whats changed on the AK-47 ?

    TallTLynn
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    Here's what little I know and believe me it's little compared to the experts in this field.

    As I recall pre-ban (if you can prove it's a preban mind you) is allowed the folding stock, flash suppressor and does not have to have US parts in it to have a magazine of more than 10 rounds.

    I know there are some other things in regards to a AK pre-ban vs. post-ban but as usual my mind only remembers a few of them and what I just posted is what few I remember.

    By the way welcome to the boards!


    Xracer
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    Hi Gabby......welcome to TFF.

    I'm in the same boat as TLynn.......far from being an expert on this "pre-ban" and "post-ban" stuff, so I'll leave it to our experts to go into the details....but basically, there was a cutoff date, before which, military-style weapons could be imported with such goodies as folding stocks, pistol grips, flash hiders, bayonet lugs, and high-capacity magazines. If they were imported before that date (whatever it was), they're legal. After that date, they're not.

    Keep checking back......somebody who knows what they're talking about should be here soon.

    If you'd like to talk about M1911s or Military History, stop by those Forums.....THERE I know something.

    Edited by: Xracer at: 1/16/03 4:39:19 pm

    Zigzag2
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    Hello TF118, and welcome.
    The biggest difference in them is about $1,000.00

    But on a serious note, check back with us, we'll find all we can.


    ZiggedandZagged@aol.com



    TF118
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    XRacer, how'd U know to call me Gabby ?

    1952Sniper
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    My specialty, as it were, is with SKS's. But it's the same principle as the Kalashnikovs.

    It all started with the Gun Control Act of 1968. That was the beginning. Then, on July 7 1989, the Secretary of the Treasury (under George Bush the elder, mind you), banned various military style rifles from import. This would include anything that has a folding stock, bayonet, or detachable magazine.

    Post-ban weapons may be imported with these features if they have enough US-made parts to be considered US-made firearms. Also, as far as the bayonet thing at least, we still see rifles coming into the country with these features as C&R rifles. The Yugoslavian M59/66 SKS is an example.

    However, all post-ban firearms, regardless of whether they are "US-made" or not, cannot be legally modified into a "semi-automatic assault weapon" by the legal definition. Pre-ban firearms are grandfathered in.

    As TallTLynn mentioned above, don't be fooled by dealers who want to sell you a "pre-ban" firearm. Ask for proof.
    Macht kaputt, was euch kaputt macht!

    LIKTOSHOOT
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    1989 is the cut off date for imports-do not know the month.
    The better AK`s came in prior to 1985, with some of the best prior to 1980. These were simply modified military arms for the US market and the quality was outstanding.

    The AK`s now, that allow pistol grips(ie: Romanian) can only have a pistol grip and must contain "X" amount of US parts to even have that, it cannot have a folding stock nor flash-hider nor bayonet/lug.

    LTS



    Xracer
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    TF118....Gabby, Tac (Steve) told us that was your nickname.

    TF118
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    Thats cool, I don't mind, just curious ... word travel's fast

    AGunguy
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    Hi and welcome TF118 to the forum.

    Don't know much about the AK47 or preban stuff except maybe what TLynn has already said.

    I've got a Romanian AK74 which is a cartridge much like our G.I. .223 caliber but not interchangable.

    Kind of wish I'd been smarter and bought one in .223 caliber, at least I could reload for that one. But the 74 is a good shooter and has 3X9 40 scope on it that is only 7.5 inches long...also, has one of the AK Russian side-mounts that clip on the frame.

    I'm retired and can't afford the expensive toys like my oldest son who has an Armalite AR-10 in .308 and an AR180 in .223 caliber.

    Gunguy

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    Hey Gabby -

    Not only did TAC tell us yer name, but with that last name you've got what'd you expect us to call ya - goofey er sompthin equally ina'proprite?

    Kan't tell ya much 'bout that pre ban 'n post ban stuff cause I jest don't know. But others here should be able ta help ya.

    Any wayz, welcome to the boards. We been expectin ya. Don't be no stranger now an come back 'n visit with us rite reg'lar - ya heah!!! We'll be a'waitin fer ya, an mite even take ya down to the Pumphouse fer a bit of fun an partakin of Bob's Best.







    Edited by: ruffitt at: 1/18/03 12:33:16 pm

    cointoss 2
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    Can't tell you much about prebans or anything else but want to welcome you to the forum.
    cointoss2

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    Thank ya'all 4 the reception ! Think I'll like it here !!
    Gabby

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    Dang GG where did you get that scope? I want one for my AK-74 too!

    Trust me you wouldn't care as much for the SAR3 as much as the SAR2 - love mine and glad you got me to thinking about buying one.


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    Welcome Gabby!


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    fredarmory
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    Why is it-- no one knows about the Brady Bill,
    Which has made purchaseing ANY AR rifle a felony unless you are a law enforcement member???


    warpig883
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    Ok, I will bite.

    Educate me fredarmory.

    The Brady Bill states


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    Paragraph (1) shall not apply to--

    `(A) any of the firearms, or replicas or duplicates of the firearms, specified in Appendix A to this section, as such firearms were manufactured on October 1, 1993;

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    This means that guns manufactured prior to the above date are exempt





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    (b) DEFINITION OF SEMIAUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPON- Section 921(a) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following new paragraph:

    `(30) The term `semiautomatic assault weapon' means--

    `(A) any of the firearms, or copies or duplicates of the firearms in any caliber, known as--

    `(i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all models);

    `(vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12;

    `(vii) Steyr AUG;

    `(viii) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9 and TEC-22; and

    `(ix) revolving cylinder shotguns, such as (or similar to) the Street Sweeper and Striker 12;

    `(B) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of--

    `(i) a folding or telescoping stock;

    `(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;

    `(iii) a bayonet mount;

    `(iv) a flash suppresser or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppresser; and

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    (v) a grenade launcher;
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    These are the definitions of an "assualt rifle" by those that know what is best for us. Current AR type weapons being manufactured meet these requirments making them available for purchase by the PUBLIC all over the US

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