When "IT" happens (what ever IT may be)

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  1. soundguy

    soundguy Well-Known Member

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    studying to get the license teaches you essentially how the system works.

    what bands are voice.. what bands are code.. etc.

    also teaches you the lingo so you can understand others.

    the abbreviated codes are there and used for a reason.. knowingthem would be helpfull.

    knowing if you were on a mc only band would help.

    the call sign itself tells you much as well. 1st letter gives you an idea of the location or world region you have been worked from ( A K N W .. etc.. )

    call sign layout lets you know somethng about the person you communicte with.. their skil llevel and band privelege..e tc.

    it's fine having the gear and play cb cowboy and saying breaker breaker when there is no FCC.. but actually usingthe gear and getting the most out of it comes from a lil bit of reading and learning... if you are going that far.. might as well pay the couple bucks and get your ticket.. it's good for 10ys before you renew.. cheap to renew and you don't have to test again..e tc...
  2. markfh

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    Sounds reasonable enough.

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  3. aa1911

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    Used to mettle in the HAM radio years ago, haven't done much with it lately though.

    The CB has no requirements for licensing whatsoever though,

    You do not need an individual license to operate a CB station. You are authorized by this rule to operate your CB station in accordance with the rules stated in this Subpart. <*also read Rule 17>

    #17

    {A} You need NOT identify your CB communications...
    {B} You are ENCOURAGED to identify your CB communications by any of the following means:
    [1] Previously assigned FCC CB call sign
    [2] K prefix followed by operators initials and residence zip code
    [3] Your name;
    or
    [4] Description of your organization including name and any applicable operator unit number
    {C} You are encouraged to use a "handle" (nickname) ONLY IN CONJUNCTION WITH the methods of identification listed above in paragraph B of this section.

    http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/citizens-band-cb-service

    A HAM license would be good for general information and has more capability depending on what frequency you use but the HAM doesn't cover the CB frequency range correct?

    CB is just very common and useful for most folks; a lot of 4wheel drive folks use them on the trail as cell reception is not an option most places ya wheel.

    I used the 2 meter band (148MHz) but that's it. I was able to talk with a guy in FL from my home state of PA, that was the longest shot I've made with it. With an old Icom handheld no less (using a local repeater station though).
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    The stuff that sticks in your memory. I can't remember what I had for supper last night, by my CB license is KBLP7350, and I haven't used that since 1980.
  5. targetacqmgt

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    Good sound comformitive clear understandable communications is a basic need for cooridinated military defense AND logistics.:)
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    As you know, that band would cover 144 - 148 mhz

    just putting that out there for the others..
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    Ham, or CB, radios won't do me any good. Got no way to power them! If I could create power, it wouldn't be enough to do anything with. I might could listen, but not broadcast futher that down the road.
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    solar cell and battery would do it... doesn't even have to be a big cell.. could be a small sell scavenged off of some solar appliance in correct votlage range. ( electric fence charger, electric gate opener.. rv charger, car bat maintainer.. etc... )

    cb or ham antenna mounted in a tree top should hit some decent range.
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    I have given this some thought and I'm a fairly mechanically competent man. So my idea is that OLD diesels ran with a carb and mechanical fuel pump, had a valve in fuel line and had to run outta fuel to shut off. Older non computer vehicles(<<<<<avatar) could theoretically run on it or a blend of gas and diesel to thin and give lower ignition temp. The hardest part would be startin em without a battery. Mines an old 4 speed just have to get it to a hill thats long enough and run it down it till it hits. Without a turbo on it the cylinder pressure shouldn't blow the heads off (80's chevy 350 diesels had a few). You would be ok till you ran outta fuel. Now you would also need a mechanical temp gauge and a mechanical oil pressure gauge. Don't want to over heat or run to low or high on pressure.
    Just my thoughts on it.
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    carb? carb makes me think spark ignition... are you talking about an old tvo setup.. perhaps one tht starts on gas and then switches to tvo, diesel or kerosene? or one that has a vaporising carb to strat directly on tvo or kerosene.. those that i have seen are spark ignition...
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    If I had a tower 50 feet tall, and was trying to opperate a CB, I might get out to 15 - 20 miles. Might get some skip, but with only a battery, I wouldn't have enough power to talk very far at all. Same thing with the Ham radio, but with cleaner channels, and less interferance I could talk a little further. Radios that "Talk" need a linear to power them up. A cheap linear designed to key up with the final 3 watts from a CB radio, or Ham radio, will give you about 200 watts final output. Now I can talk about 50 miles under ideal conditions.
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    68c15 is some one who I met on here, and have ben to the range with manny times. This is somthing we have talked about.
    Once again will be glad to have ya Shoulder to shoulder.
    And we both train our kids at the range. mine have there own handguns and rifles. the 3 year old and the 5 year old ar the only two in this house who don't.

    Try to find some one from on here. you have better odds if you can have some one willing to stand with you.
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  13. soundguy

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    sorry.. but that's mostly incorrect!

    I'm a ham operator..

    DE Ke4rrd

    My mobile rig is a 50w icom 12v unit mounted in my truck. I can work all over this country and beyond. ( with larger antenna ) I have a 'linear' amp as well. with skip.. no problem working stuff 'on the other side'

    for cb.. if you have a clear line.. figure a rule of thumb of about 1w per mile depending on what gear the other guy has.

    ps.. gear on 12v, and a charged car battery can 'work' quite a bit. 200w drain on a 12v bat is a 16ah deal. cheap walmart car battery will do that for qite a while. PLENTY of talk time. you are acting like you are gonna get 5 words out after you key up the mic... just ain't so.. :) BTDT got the qsl to prove it.. :)

    73's
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    I was mainly thinkin of the basics here. You know air flow picks up the fuel then as yer rollin down hill you pop the clutch and eventually you'll get enough heat or pressure to fire. Just purely theoretical. I don't know how well it would work and haven't done that much research on how the early diesels worked. I think Mr. Diesel used a carb, I know he used veggie or peanut oil. This way no spark is needed. I plan on lookin in to it some more.
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    Ok after lookin more I realize that after you got a gas to build the heat and pressure nessesary it might work but like I said its theoretical. In other words you'd have to be desperate to try this. If anyone has done somethin similar please let the rest of us know so we can be prepared with a junker and bulk diesel.
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    And I've used CB radios since the '70's. Don't know that much about HAM, but there isn't a lot you can tell me about operating CB's that I don't know. I do know that the HAM radios operate on different frequencies than CB. Much cleaner frequencies! Allowing a HAM radio to talk much further than a CB using the same power. What I said was that I would need a linear on a CB to talk further than 15 - 20 miles, with the 3 watt final output. You just stated that you are running a 50 watt output on your HAM radio, and you have the advantage of using much cleaner frequencies than a CB operator would have. You also stated that you have a linear for those times you need to talk a little further! Your "rule of thumb of about 1w per mile" is correct for FIRS radios, but that isn't CB frequencies! I've shot skip, bare foot, with a CB, and 1/4 wave ground plane! So how is it that what I posted was "mostly incorrect"?
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    i'll call it a (my)misunderstanding of phrasing. with the clarification you just made.. I'd agree with you on the ranges of the cb, pre / post amp.
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    Not a problem! It's hard, sometimes, to convey an idea when all you have is the printed word, and I'm not the best at that. Then, sometimes, it's not easy to understand an idea when all you have is the printed word form someone that isn't the best at that! If you, and I, were sitting togeather exchanging ideas, things would go a lot smoother! Maybe that could be arranged! I have a son in Key Largo.
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  19. soundguy

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    key largo.. reminds me of my favorite song. the 'hit' bertie higgins had. I actually had a chance to run sound for bertie and his band of pirates at an outdoor festival a decade back.. neat guy... his ?brother?.. not so much.. :)
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    We're all tough guys 'till the lights really go out. How many of you have had to actually live with what's in front of you? (Current and Ex GI's who actually saw a little can disregard this question)
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