which caliber for all around use?

Discussion in 'Large-Bore/Small-Bore Rifle/Shotgun' started by hunter29180, Sep 26, 2012.

  1. hunter29180

    hunter29180 Well-Known Member

    discussion about 3 calibers for all around hunting and other predator elemination.

    the choices under discussion are 308, 7.62 x 39 and 7.62 x 54r..

    how would you rank them and why?

    animals to be hunted..deer, antelope,moose, hogs,bears,caribu expected ranges from 200 yd to 1500 yd with occasional shots up to 2000 if the rifle can do this.

    predators..the usual up to and including some 2 legged types...:eek:

    feel free to bring forth others for consiteration for the uses and ranges above!!

    must be commerically available and reloadable!!
    Last edited: Sep 26, 2012
  2. carver

    carver Moderator Supporting Member

    The 7.62 x 39 is on a par with the old 30/30 round, a 100 -150 yard shooter, so it's out. Of the two remaining calibers I would have to go with the .308 simply because there will be a larger supply of readily available ammo. It's maybe not the better choice balistically speaking, but it will get the job done. 1500, and 2000 yards is a longgggg way!

  3. al45lc

    al45lc Active Member

    Mar 8, 2010
    colorful colorado
    .308, hands down.
    Factory or especially handloaded, VERY diverse and adaptable. HUGE selection of weapons to choose from , Single, Lever, Bolt and Auto.
    Moose or bear with 7.62 x 39?! Not me!
    Sure, 'ol Karamojo Bell took elephants with a 7 x 57, but he was crazy! (and damn good).
    I'd do it with a properly loaded .308 any day.
    Long range, short range, armor piercing, solids and frangible, from light to heavy, the list for different 'pills for your ills' is long and covers it all, AND readily available.
    As is the list of manufacturers for every conceivable componant and aftermarket Gizmo and aid for the .308 and the weapons.
    Straight up and to the point, "all around" means diversity, adaptability and availability, and the .308 (also because it's 7.62 NATO) is King.
  4. aa1911

    aa1911 Well-Known Member

    Dec 12, 2010
    Pacific Northwest

    .308 is king IMO. the rusky round is great but so many more platforms available in .308 and almost as powerful
  5. soundguy

    soundguy Well-Known Member

    May 8, 2012
    I think i'd also have to say .308 as well.

    762x39.. i'd not feel safe it would drop a moose at any long range unless you are a sniper.

    the 762x54r is a great round.. hard to find in non milsurp.. so unless you relaod AND have a custom gun conversion.. I'd count it out.

    If you say.. got a ruger mk1 in it, and used commercial new ammo or hand loaded ammo.. then that would throw it inthe running.. just based upon performance.

    otherwise.. you can walk into a walmart and buy 308 ammo.. and 308 rifles are all over..

    and ditto onthe other comment about 2000 yds.. that's a long way.

    if I was routinely taking 1000-2000 yd shots.. I think I'd skip all 3 of those calibers.. especially if taking large game...

    maybee 300 weatherby mag.. 375 H&H 338 lapua etc..
  6. gdmoody

    gdmoody Moderator Supporting Member

    Sep 7, 2007
    Athens, Georgia
    :yeahthat: I agree with this completely. .308 is easily reloadable and plenty of choices on bullet size that can/will handle anything between a mouse and a moose.
  7. time2shoot

    time2shoot Well-Known Member Supporting Member

    Jan 17, 2012
    Brandon SD
    whats wrong with 25/06.
  8. al45lc

    al45lc Active Member

    Mar 8, 2010
    colorful colorado
    Nothing, but it simply can't compete with the .308 for "all around" nomination.
    Serious limitations in the bullet variety catagory, among others.
  9. aa1911

    aa1911 Well-Known Member

    Dec 12, 2010
    Pacific Northwest
    I took a grouse with my M1A last year so there's a funny example of how .308 can be used for everything big AND small! got a neck shot on him so I didn't ruin any meat either. Lots of folks using .308 for elk and other large game with no problems at reasonable ranges. It's what I'm using this season for all big game, bear, cougar, deer and elk.

    AK round is just not in the same league as the other two.
  10. dad2thebone

    dad2thebone New Member

    Jul 10, 2011
    I had great luck with 7.62 x39 and the same goes for my 30-30 . It may be more of a brush gun but you asked.
  11. 308 hands down,ammo easy to find,reasonable cost and multiple weights in factory ammo.im sorry but trying to hunt anything at 1500 or 2000 yards is crazy.the only thing you may possibly do is wound an animal and that only by the grace of god. old semperfi
  12. JohnnyFlake

    JohnnyFlake New Member

    Dec 15, 2011
    Henderson, Nevada
    NONE of the rounds you mention are worthy beyond 1000/1200 yards. The 308 would be the closest but a shot at 1500/2000 as you mention would simply be pure luck. A properly scoped 300 Wini Mag is probably the minimum caliber that may be effective at those ranges. I' opt for a properly scoped .338 Lapua Magnum or 8.6x70 which is designed for shots out to 2000 + yards. With a proper scope your talking around $3000
  13. aa1911

    aa1911 Well-Known Member

    Dec 12, 2010
    Pacific Northwest
    If you're wanting to make shots at 2000 yards, better get yourself a .50 cal mod deuce or something automatic. Or better yet, hire a helicopter gunship to fly around your property! :eek: 2k is a looooong ways away.

    I've shot M240 out as far as 2200m at moving truck targets, pretty ineffective even with a machine gun. But 1000yds/meters whatever, you could do pretty well with .308 with some training/skill.

    maybe you could build yourself a home made predator drone ;)
  14. cpttango30

    cpttango30 Guest

    1. 25-06
    2. 308
    3. 7.62x39
    4. 243
    5. 6xc
    6. 30-06
    7. 7.62x54r
  15. JLA

    JLA Well-Known Member

    Feb 26, 2007
    Heart Of Texas
    The .308 and the 7.62X54R are only effective to about 800 meters. the X39 400 meters. The ranges you state alone would require very precise projectiles and stable platforms and the round would have to be on par with a .408 CheyTac or a .416 barrett.. The .338 lapua at the very least and thats gonna be pushin it on the bigger animals at that range.

    Moose, some of the bigger bears and elk are stretching the .30 cal to the far side of optimism. They are capable, you just gotta be one hell of a crack shot to put that pill where it matters most, which is something thats likely NOT to happen in a full charge my a mature bull moose or a hungry pissed off kodiak.

    Reduce the ranges to a realistic 500-600 yards maximum, and omit the moose and bears from the animals to kill list and the .308 win reigns king, with the 7.62X54R coming in 2nd and the 7.62X39 on the 100-200 yd list at 3rd.

    Real world picks for me, based on experience. would be:

    .223 rem for small game and predators out to 400 yds
    .308 win for medium game out to 600 yds
    .338 Lapua for medium to large game at extended ranges, though Id probably keep my ranges limited to 1000 or less mainly because of my comfort with my own skill level of shooting. i.e. closer is better..

    1000 yds is a long ass way out. lots of time for variables to affect the bullet and truth be told ti just isnt practical to engage anything aside from a paper target or unsuspecting steel gong at that kinda range. Just being honest here. I know what I am capable of behind a rifle and shooting ranges past 500 yards give me the willys, not because its hard and i cant do it, because I can and have, but because theres all kinds of variables you cant calculate at longer ranges that makes the margin of error too large to consider a clean kill on anything. Now I know the military logs kills beyond 1000 yds regularly, but the guys behind the trigger are highly disciplined shooters with state of the art cutting edge equipment at thier fingertips.

    Its easy to be an internet commando or a mall ninja riding the free wifi at starbucks and post your "skillset" online where theres nobody that knows different and nobody to prove otherwise. And I read alot of opinions and claims on the internet these days from folks that id wager only own 1 gun and they just bought it.
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