which cartridge for a 1874 quigley sharps?

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which chambering for an 1874 sharps

Poll closed May 4, 2009.
  1. .45/110

    10 vote(s)
    58.8%
  2. .45/70

    7 vote(s)
    41.2%
  1. 21bravo

    21bravo New Member

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    ever since i saw the movie "Quigley Down Under" i have been in love with the 1874 Sharps. specifically the "Quigley" Sharps. its just a beautiful weapon, imho. one from Shiloh Sharps costs $3248 as it comes...and you can choose either .45/70 or .45/110 chamber. ive already decided i will have one before i pass on, so now its just a matter of which cartridge. do i want one exactly like Matthew Quigley's and go with .45/110 or do i want to go with the more popular .45/70 ? id love to hear which cartridge you would choose and why... take everything into account...ballistics, price of ammo, reloading, etc. etc.

    once i save enough to get one it will be used for silhouette shooting and also for hunting white taiL, and MAYBE some big game hunting out west.
  2. Alpo

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    Unless I was planning on either
    A - hunting buffalo with it, or
    B - shooting extreme long range targets,
    I'd get the 45/70. To get the same performance out of the 110 as you do out of the 70, you need more powder (because the case is larger, so with the same amount of powder you have less pressure). If it takes X grains of powder to push a 405 grain bullet at 1250 out of a 45/70, that same X grains of powder will only push that same 405 grain bullet around 1175 in the 45/110.

    If I was hunting large animals, or shooting far far away, then I would use all the available range and power of the 45/110. But if I was just playing with it, at the range, at two or three hundred yards, I probably would not be shooting full-power loads (hard on both wallet and shoulder) so why buy the full-power gun?
  3. 21bravo

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    thanks for the input Alpo... makes sense:p and since i dont think its possible to hunt buffalo or bison legally i guess i should go with .45/70 ..again, thanks for the input
  4. TOOHSOTKIL

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    Here is what will happen. If you limit any factor, there will always be a question in the back of your mind.

    Given the fact these rifles are simply wonderful from another time, why limit it? You give up nothing and gain everything using the 45/110.
    It can be down loaded or uploaded.

    With all being the same, I would not consider it a choice.
    45/110
  5. Lotsdragon

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    Well, since i have also been looking at them, I was trying to answer that question myself. Being equal in all thoughts i think I would go with the 45/110. But that is just me. They are beautiful guns though, hope you get to enjoy many outtings with it.
  6. Alpo

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    Although, I suppose, if you got it in 45/110, and you just wanted to plink with it, you could always shoot 45/70s in it. Like shooting 38 special in a 357. Play with the light load, and then if you want the heavy load, you have the capability.
  7. CampingJosh

    CampingJosh Well-Known Member

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    This is what I was thinking, too.
  8. 21bravo

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    would that be possible though?:confused: i mean, i know it is perfectly fine to do so with a .357 and .38spl but would it be ok to do that in a rifle?? i'll have to look into that!! i didnt even consider it:eek::rolleyes:


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    .....well..... i called Shiloh Sharps out in Big Timber, Montana and talked to a lady in the customer service department. she told me that it was NOT possible to shoot a .45/70 cartridge in a rifle chambered for .45/110 .....so its back to the decision making:rolleyes::(
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  9. Alpo

    Alpo Well-Known Member

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    The lady misinformed you. The physical difference between a 45/70 and a 45/110 is simply length.
    http://stevespages.com/jpg/cd4570government.jpg
    http://stevespages.com/jpg/cd45-110.jpg

    They undoubtedly don't want you shooting the shorter cartridge in there. If you use black powder, it is possible that you will, by shooting the shorter cartridge, score your chamber, and then when shooting the longer cartridge have trouble loading it or ejecting it. You could get a build up, with smokeless, of lead shavings and bullet lube at the end of the 45/70 cartridge, which would also give loading and unloading problems with the 45/110.

    But that doesn't change the fact that it will work.
  10. TOOHSOTKIL

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    No-No-NO!!!!!!!!!!

    You do not shoot the 110 in a 70 rifle, you download the 110 to 70 power!!
    Do not even go there....GOOD GRIEF!!
  11. Alpo

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    Of course you don't shoot the 110 in a 70 rifle. It won't fit.
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    Absolutly, if you're hunting antelope, or polar bears, 110 is what you want, but if you're going to be going after white tail or silhouettes, the 70 is the ticket.
  13. TRAP55

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    There's not a whole lot gained with the larger case capacities, especially if the the rifle doesn't have a longer barrel for complete combustion.
    45-70 ammo and brass is waaaay cheaper than 45-110, and cheaper to reload for.
    45-70 can be shot in a 45-110 rifle, but it's not something you want to do unless in an emergency situation. 45-70 can be shot in a 45-90 with some loss of accuracy, but a thorough chamber cleaning is required before the 45-90 can be fired in it again.
    Out of all the Euro repros, the Pedersoli is the most well made. Most of the cheaper copies are marked "Black Powder Only". Stay with a smokeless version for the strength of the action, and the availability "of off the shelf" 45-70 ammo.
    There are a lot of places in the US that offer Buffalo hunts. Prices vary with choice of cow or bull, if you want the meat and keep the hide & head, etc.
    Even the anemic factory 405grn loads will drop a buff with a well placed shot.
  14. JLA

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    Id take the .45/110 for the authenticism, and you can safely chamber and shoot .45/90 and .45/70 cartridges in the .45/110. I too love the 'quigley' I will soon be adding one to my collection to sit beside my rolling block rifle...;)
  15. tEN wOLVES

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    45/70, It's easier to get in a pinch, the other stuff if you don't load you're own, you're out of luck,


    TW :D
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    I think the choice in those two chamberings is pretty much dependent on if the OP is shooting smokeless or BP.

    If sticking with smokeless loads, I don't think there is any advantage to going with the longer .45/110 (2.875" compared to 2.105" for 45/70)chamber since that is a lot of case to fill up and I don't think you'd find any smokeless loads for the larger case that would exceed what's possible with the shorter .45/70.

    I think the only advantage to the longer case would be if you're loading black powder and need the extra case capacity.

    In .45/70...
    When loading for that Shiloh (when you get it), keep in mind that even though it's a new rifle made with better steel than the originals, it's still not a "modern" single-shot design so stick with the reloading data for the older rifles. I'd hate to see one of them beautiful Shiloh's get hammered out by heavy loads! :)
    Most reloading manuals have three sections of data for the .45/70...Trapdoor Springfield, old rifles (sometimes called lever-actions loads for big levers like the '86 Winchester), and modern rifles. Lower power to heaviest loads in that order.
    That section for modern rifles should only be used for Ruger #1/#3s, the Mauser bolt-action .45/70s, and such.

    If you're wanting to shoot black powder (which I think would be the most fun), I can strongly recommend Mike Venturino's book "Shooting Buffalo Guns of the Old West" from his "....Old West" series.
    http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&search-type=ss&index=books&field-author=Mike Venturino&page=1
  17. 45nut

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    Go for broke and get the 45-110. Why not? You're going to reload it and have fun with it. If you get the 45-70, you will regret not getting the REAL thing. You will always wonder what the 45-110 felt like, shot like, etc.

    Get the big one!!! :D
  18. JLA

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    Good advice about steering clear of the hot loads. Shilohs are superbly fit and finished, perhaps the best there is. They are much more comfortable to shoot with light loads anyway.
  19. woolleyworm

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    NO BRAINER ............ WE'D ALL BE MUCH MORE JEALOUS IF YOU BOUGHT THE 110 !! :D
  20. oldreliable45120

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    Go with the 110 you will not regret it at all. You can get all the stuff you need from Buffalo Arms in Idaho.I have a C.Sharps in 45-120,44-77,and 45-70. If you opt for the # heavy barrel it does cut down on recoil. Shoot it with either 1f or ctg type black powder, pyrodex will work also,I've used all 3 with out any problems. If you want to shoot smokeless try Trail boss that works really good theres load data from IMR available,its designed for large cases. If you need any help on load data or stuff for BPCR let me know.
    Almost forgot log onto the Shiloh Sharps Forums there is a tremendous amont of info there. A guy named Kenny Wissburger (forgot spelling) is a 110 shooter and has ALOT of experience with that round.:)
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