well which is better .17 hmr or .17 mach 2. i need to know because i want to buy a new gun.
Will lead even hold together at 4300 fps? I don't really know anthing about wildcats, or reloading at all for that matter, but I do know that 4300 fps is fast!Also, I am working on a rimmed equivalent of the new .17 Fireball, based on .357 Max brass, with the potential for 4300 fps velocities, and support enough to not expand the primer pocket; the rim, to work in single shot rifles, with more or less 'standard' extractors.
That is a maximum load in the MachIV, with a light 21 Gr custom bullet, swaged by Todd Kindler.Will lead even hold together at 4300 fps? I don't really know anthing about wildcats, or reloading at all for that matter, but I do know that 4300 fps is fast!
From what i can gather the fireball provides shooting out to 300yards but again why bother with this light bullet thats trying to fight its way out to 300yards in the wind when the 22-250 or the 220swift(poss a nice 223wssm or a 270) will do the same range with much better resistance to wind and as all these round are in the 4000 fps area they all suffer fouling. Fouling of a thousand of an inch in a 224 barrel will not amount to much as a total % of the bore diameter but this % will be much larger than with the smaller calibers of the .17's(high speed 4000 fps area only) ultimately this effect sustained accuracy unless its countered by cleaning and maybe some special cocktail to coat the inside the bore to reduce friction or sometime else in the black magic areaOne of the advantages to the .17 HM2 is that its based off a .22 cartridge, and therefore you can get refit kits to change a .22LR to a .17HM2. I think Ruger has some for their 10/22.
Just in case yall were wondering...
.17 HM2 vs. .17 HMR
I'm waiting on buying a .17 myself (until a clear winner between all the different .17's are settled), but I was wondering what the opinion of the .17 Fireball is?
Wow you narrowed me down to being one of about 4 million users. Great work. Or have you never heard of a proxy network? So, not so "scary".Only you can see this
Me too. I had a .17 and the wind played hell with it. For the price of ammo....22 magnum all day long.I think I'd prefer the .22 magnum over either, but that's just me.
The mach 2 is made from a necked down .22lr case. Don't think we will run out of .22lr cases in the future. It also uses the same bullets as the .17 Remington centerfire, the .17HMR, and the NEW .17 Hornet. Unless all 3 of those cartridges die I think we will have the bullets for the mach 2 also. CZ just released a new Quad like the Sake Quad which of course includes the mach 2. Don't see the cartridge going anywhere, especially since for the $$$ it performs better than the HMR. For the $$$ you can reload a .22 Hornet or a Ruger .204 and it TOTALLY outperforms the HMR!...17 Mach II, kind a different story, while it may have some good points, the most negative issues are the three cartridges above, they are far more popular and effective in their respective classes, based on this I feel the Mach II is headed down the same no marketing/low sales road as many (now obsolete) fine cartridges have gone.
LDBennett, you always have good info. Thanks.The problem is the 17HM2 is a rimfire and not reloadable at home. While it may use 22 LR cases, that is of no use for a home reloader. So that means the only source of ammo is factory manufactured ammo. If the demand decreases for 17HM2 then manufacturers of ammo may be reluctant to set up ammo lines to make it. They only have so much loading equipment and setting it up for an unpopular cartridge, when it could be used to make ammo for a more popular cartridge, may not make economic sense.
So it makes little difference if the cases are shared with 22LR ammo and the bullets are available because they have uses in other cartridges. If the demand dwindles enough then you may not be able to get ammo. If you just have to have a 17HM2 then buy lots of ammo while it is available because it may not be in the future. The shine has worn off 17HM2 and only time will tell if it lasts as an available ammo.
LDBennett