which is better .17 hmr or .17 mach 2

Discussion in '.22-Rimfire Forum' started by pdbsa, Apr 13, 2007.

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which is better .17 hmr or .17 mach 2

  1. .17 hmr

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  2. .17 mach 2

    21.6%
  1. tonygrz

    tonygrz New Member

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    Had made up my mind to give myself a 17 Mach 2 for Christmas. I went to Wally World aka China-Mart, and they could special order a savage for me. When I asked about the 17 Mach 2 ammo, they told me that Wally World would not be carrying any 17 Mach 2. The manager said that calls for 17 Mach 2 ammo has been almost non-existant.

    Anyone hear that the 17 Mach 2 is being left behind the 17 HMR ?? Will the 17 mach 2 go the route of the 5MM ?? I see where the poll results show that the 17 HMR is favored by 3 to 1. Will hold up buying anything until I hear some opinions/ideas.

    Thanks for your thoughts,

    tonygrz
  2. rangerruck

    rangerruck New Member

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    what do I like mcuh better? the mach 2, what is funner the m2, much cheaper, m2, what is a better hunting round? 17aguila/pmc- which can be fired through a m2. What is a more flatter, hard hitting, knock em dead round , out to even 200 yds? 17 hmr. what will drop a coyote out at 100 yds? 17hmr.
  3. stash247

    stash247 New Member

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    Ranger, well said!
    I've been a rimfire 'nut' for many years, and now own several that I almost cannot feed, for the scarcity, and price, of ammo (.22 auto, 5mm rimfire), but I like the rifles.
    I don't see the 17M2 'going away', anytime soon; just look at the 'fan club', it has here!
  4. Contenderizer

    Contenderizer New Member

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    The HMR came first and it was great for drilling holes in paper - provided the wind wasn't blowing. Unfortunately, the bullets exploded on small game and people started to complain that they were wounding prairie dogs. About that time Hornedy came out with the M2, which has less muzzle velocity and costs less too. The M2 is a better choice for hunting tree rats and the like, but nothing larger. Personally, I'll pass on both.
  5. chim

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    hi guys
    i am from the UK and a newbie to boot over hear we love our .17hmr and the .22lr has a big place in our cabinet .As for the mach 11 it never caught on as the caliber fitted in between the .17hmr and the .22lr ? what for i ask the .17hmr has a crack down range and the .22lr is as quite as you want bearing in mind we only shoot rabbit and fox with these guns only my opinion
    rgds chim
  6. RimfireRat

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    The only reason the MachII is the unknown and the HMR is the BIG Boy is the marketing. all the marketing went to the /hmr ,then ignorant gun writers followed by ignoring the HM2 or misrepresenting it as a lesser needed rd. It's a super tree or grd squirrel etc rd thru 100+ yds. (out to 100 almost flat) I relined an old 340 mossberg for my first experiment with the HM2 and have since purchased a Sav BVSS and a CZ American in the HM2 . Retailers don't want to stock stuff they are afraid won't sell, and the advertizing has been 4 to 1 on the HMR .any of my friends I've shown my HM2 to have all been impressed and bought one for theirself . I wouldn't trade mine for a HMR on a good day. my 22WMRs cover anything+ that the HMR can do. the marketing of the two 17s has suffered from the Bigger /faster is better mindset. thats is not always true when all is considered. Find some guys with the HM2 and they will be happy with it.--JMJ--
  7. stash247

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    Rimfire Rat, check my prior post, about small centerfire .17's.
    I just sent a bunch of money for another barrel, in the caliber, for a rifle for a grandson, in the works, which will be a .17 Ackley Improved Hornet, a caliber that can be loaded cheaper than buying rimfire ammo, and will double, or more, the .17 HMR numbers, and safely.
    I like the MachII idea, because it fits into a lot of already accurate platforms; the 22 mag/.17 HMR does not have such a base; but what will the MachII do that a good .22 LR cannot?
    Also, I am working on a rimmed equivalent of the new .17 Fireball, based on .357 Max brass, with the potential for 4300 fps velocities, and support enough to not expand the primer pocket; the rim, to work in single shot rifles, with more or less 'standard' extractors.
    While I am a rimfire 'freak', I think the .17 is best in a center fire case.
  8. lb969

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    One of the advantages to the .17 HM2 is that its based off a .22 cartridge, and therefore you can get refit kits to change a .22LR to a .17HM2. I think Ruger has some for their 10/22.


    Just in case yall were wondering...
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    .17 HM2 vs. .17 HMR



    I'm waiting on buying a .17 myself (until a clear winner between all the different .17's are settled), but I was wondering what the opinion of the .17 Fireball is?
  9. stash247

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    ib969,you are a bit off topic, but let me offer this: The .17 Fireball is the legitamised version of the .17 Mach IV, a totally competent wildcat, for a lot of years; a lot more than either of the rimfire offerings.
    As Remington's authoring of the .22-250, as a production number, so have they done, again, and God Bless them, with the .17 Fireball.
    I am fascinated with the little .17's: the .17 Ackley Improved Hornet, and the .17 Bee, but may well buy a new Remington rifle, for the benefit of 'storebought' ammo, being available; we'll see about that.
    I am, as well, working on a cartridge, based on the .357 Maximum, necked to .17, the rimmed equivalent of the fireball, with better case head strength, for use in single shot actions; again, time will tell.
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  10. CampingJosh

    CampingJosh Well-Known Member

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    Will lead even hold together at 4300 fps? I don't really know anthing about wildcats, or reloading at all for that matter, but I do know that 4300 fps is fast!
  11. stash247

    stash247 New Member

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    That is a maximum load in the MachIV, with a light 21 Gr custom bullet, swaged by Todd Kindler.
    Lead and copper will certainly hold together, at that velocity, assuming a quality bullet; an unbalanced one will come apart, quickly at such speed, and rotational velocity.
  12. 2704deer

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    Does the .17fireball not come into play when you guys are shooting small game at long ranges???
    I only ask as I am trying to decide what to get to shoot rabbit at 100m plus
    cost of ammo to a degree is not important unless it is rediculous, or we would all be using .22lr subsonics and getting closer to our game to secure a clean kill.
    Has anyone got a fireball as the reports sound good.
  13. ivanthehunter

    ivanthehunter New Member

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    .17HMR is surpassed in kill power by the .22HMR so why bother with it if you have a 22hmr.
    The .17HM2 is completely different to the .22lr. Firstly its a further reaching flatter shooting round than the 22lr BUT its a lot louder.
    The 17hm2 has no ability to shoot subsonic with any knock down.

    If cost is to be ignored then I'd go for the 17HMR because it is the flatter of the two and i like the idea of point and shoot ammo.

    In Ireland i have heard of boyo's taking rabbits out as far 200yards with a .17HMR......Know that sounds like a bit of craic

    PS I'm new so go easy or at least be humane:D
  14. tonygrz

    tonygrz New Member

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    I was told by my FFL/dealer that the 17M2 was being discontinued. I bought several thousand rounds because of that statement. Is it true ???????

    tonygrz
  15. canonguy

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    I am not a big fan or either. What good does it do to hit something if no damage is done? I don't think you can even clearly see the hole a .17 leaves in a paper target without getting arms length from the paper. I like the .22WMR and I think reports of it's innaccuracy are greatly exaggerated. Mostly due to early ammo and cheap rifles and rifle variation. I know farmers that take small deer with .22MAG. The .17 craze is another example of ammo manufacturers creating a "need" to sell things we don't really need.
  16. RCGUIDRY

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    I converted a 10-22 to mach 2 with a bull barrel and bolt weight. it performs very well but is a small game rifle at 100 yards. I have however bagged a crow at a measured distance of 130 yards. the rifle is accurate enough to shoot small animals in the head out to 100 yards and stop them in their tracks. But is A Small game rifle. I dont think it is neccessary to own a hmr because I only use it on small game and 100 yards is my max range. so no need for the hmr for me IMHO.
  17. thomas44

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    I think I'd prefer the .22 magnum over either, but that's just me.
  18. BADDOGGY

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    I am in full agreement with thomas44. I have a new .17 HMR barrel for my 10/22 Magnum. It is accurate as the devil but has zero punch (but that's just me). I refer to it as a .177 Improved (the air rifle). I have fired thousands of .22 Magnum rounds critters since 1975 and if you have an accurate rifle, it is hell on wheels for jack rabbits. BUT at the same time I have to acknowledge the.17 HMR has its hard-core followers.
  19. gdmoody

    gdmoody Moderator Supporting Member

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    I voted for the Mach II, mainly because I have a Converted 10/22 in it. I bought a 17HMR when they first came out and did not like it (but it could have been just the rifle I did not like).
  20. 21bravo

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    p,
    i personally prefer the .17 HMR. i have a Savage 93r17 with a BSA Sweet 17 3x9x40mm scope and a buddy of mine has a Marlin model 917V with a custom bull barrel from rock river arms. he has a Simmons Deerfield 3x9x40mm on his. both rifles shoot amazing. we both keep a 50 yard zero on our rifles and according to Hornady's ballistic calculator and my experience you can hold dead on at 100 yards because there is only a 0.3 inch drop. and .3 inches isnt gonna make or break a kill shot on a squirrel or fox etc. just my .02 but either one of these rifles is what id go with:cool:
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