which is better .17 hmr or .17 mach 2

Discussion in '.22-Rimfire Forum' started by pdbsa, Apr 13, 2007.

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which is better .17 hmr or .17 mach 2

  1. .17 hmr

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  2. .17 mach 2

    21.6%
  1. ivanthehunter

    ivanthehunter New Member

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    After taking some time out to read up on this i have seen things in a new light.

    It seems that the HM2 is nearly as flat out to 100 yards and the ammo is cheaper than the HMR,
    Also it a better round for small game as it causes less damage to meat and pelts than the HMR but still with 17jacketed accuracy.

    All in all i can't understand why its not taken off with better marketing..and more information to small varmint hunters such as as increased accuracy,flat trajectory out to 120yard,value of accurate shots(less ammo more kills) and still all cheaper than its big brother the HMR but strides above its parent the 22lr..

    Is it going to be discontinued??:eek: I hope not:confused:

    JUST A NOTE:
    The poll above is similar to 22lr ver 22WMR both have a niche and one is not there to replace the other, they differ in terms of noise, energy,
    trajectory and damage to meat and over costs of ammo..
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  2. ivanthehunter

    ivanthehunter New Member

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    From what i can gather the fireball provides shooting out to 300yards but again why bother with this light bullet thats trying to fight its way out to 300yards in the wind when the 22-250 or the 220swift(poss a nice 223wssm or a 270) will do the same range with much better resistance to wind and as all these round are in the 4000 fps area they all suffer fouling. Fouling of a thousand of an inch in a 224 barrel will not amount to much as a total % of the bore diameter but this % will be much larger than with the smaller calibers of the .17's(high speed 4000 fps area only) ultimately this effect sustained accuracy unless its countered by cleaning and maybe some special cocktail to coat the inside the bore to reduce friction or sometime else in the black magic area

    The Jacketed HM2 and the HMR with their jacketed construction and lower velocities avoid this fouling.
  3. pigeon slayer

    pigeon slayer New Member

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    I'll approach the question from a "performance for cost" standpoint. The .22 costs about $4.50 a box of 50 and travels at 1100 to1300 feet per second. It is a decent round out to 75 yards but then, it begins to have considerable issues with gravity. The .17 Mach 2, so named because it travels at twice the speed of sound "Mach"2.(approximately 2100 fps). It is a .22 Stinger case necked down to accept a .17 projectile. This ammo also costs about $4.60 a box or 2,000 rounds for about $185.00. The .17 HMR (Hornady Magnum Round) is a .22 Magnum cartridge necked down to accept the same .17 projectile. It travels 300 fps faster for $12.00 a box of 50. I have found NO appreciable differences in 300fps! Especially for an increase of $7.50 per box ! Both rounds are excellent performers out to 120 yards. Sure, I have hit birds out to 250 yards. But there is a LOT of hold-over. I have killed skunks, possums , raccoons and squirrels out to 125 yards with the Mach 2. It is a pleasant round, not requiring ear plugs, but the HMR does ! The HMR is LOUD. If you are shooting coyotes, move up to a .223 (which cost the same as the HMR)
  4. 300 H&H

    300 H&H Active Member

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    Or you could find a 5mm Remington mag and have the baddest rimfire on the planet. Ammo s availble again, with a 30 gr bullet at 2,500fps. It died a slow death back inthe early 80's.... But thanks to Agila/Centurian it is avilable once again. I am quite sure Steve Hornaday had one of these in his rack when he dreamed up the 17 HMR. His runs at 26,000psi, same as the 22 mag. The 5mm on the other hand runs at 33,000 and takes a special bolt action to seal the chamber to prevent cartridge rim bursting. The rifles are Remingtons 591M and 592M. They are out there to be had. I also have a contender in 5mm. 10" barrel and 2,100fps is hard to argue with!

    http://5mmforums.com/forums/index.php

    Regards, Kirk
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  5. Freebore

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    You gotta love a question like this......you'll get as many opinions as there are cartridges.

    So my opinion is:

    ...22LR, probably the best (fun,target, plinking, hunting, cost effective, etc. etc.) cartridge ever made, will most likely still be around after the human race is long gone.

    ...17HMR, a super high velocity rimfire which has excellent accuracy, good dispatching abilities (within its range), and no recoil or big bang. A fine cartridge that will be around for a quite while due to its popularity with the user base and manufactuers.

    ... 22 Mag, Nice cartridge, like the 17HMR it provides good accurcy, no recoil, or loud blast, and good performance, again, because of its popularity by the shooting fraternity and manufactuers, it is obviously holding its own in the world of rimfires.

    ...17 Mach II, kind a different story, while it may have some good points, the most negative issues are the three cartridges above, they are far more popular and effective in their respective classes, based on this I feel the Mach II is headed down the same no marketing/low sales road as many (now obsolete) fine cartridges have gone.

    Remember, Its all about sales/marketing, not performance that keeps a cartridge alive.

    As for Coyotes, (mentioned somewhere above) let's be humane, use a cartridges thats effective for the shot taken, not one that "I think will work", all of the rimfires are questionable at Coyote shooting distances, I would not take a fair shot at a Coyote with anything less than a centerfire 17 or 22 cartridge.
  6. CJ_56

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    Wow you narrowed me down to being one of about 4 million users. Great work. Or have you never heard of a proxy network? So, not so "scary".

    BTW I certainly wouldn't say a .17HMR is more effective than a .17HM2. It's not as popular but that has more to do with marketing than anything IMO. I would buy an HM2 if I didn't think it would be obsolete because of ammo supplies in a few years. From everything I've read in comparison tests it is the better round.
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  7. 3/2 STA SS

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    Me too. I had a .17 and the wind played hell with it. For the price of ammo....22 magnum all day long.
  8. Ledslnger

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    The mach 2 is made from a necked down .22lr case. Don't think we will run out of .22lr cases in the future. It also uses the same bullets as the .17 Remington centerfire, the .17HMR, and the NEW .17 Hornet. Unless all 3 of those cartridges die I think we will have the bullets for the mach 2 also. CZ just released a new Quad like the Sake Quad which of course includes the mach 2. Don't see the cartridge going anywhere, especially since for the $$$ it performs better than the HMR. For the $$$ you can reload a .22 Hornet or a Ruger .204 and it TOTALLY outperforms the HMR!
  9. LDBennett

    LDBennett Well-Known Member

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    The problem is the 17HM2 is a rimfire and not reloadable at home. While it may use 22 LR cases, that is of no use for a home reloader. So that means the only source of ammo is factory manufactured ammo. If the demand decreases for 17HM2 then manufacturers of ammo may be reluctant to set up ammo lines to make it. They only have so much loading equipment and setting it up for an unpopular cartridge, when it could be used to make ammo for a more popular cartridge, may not make economic sense.

    So it makes little difference if the cases are shared with 22LR ammo and the bullets are available because they have uses in other cartridges. If the demand dwindles enough then you may not be able to get ammo. If you just have to have a 17HM2 then buy lots of ammo while it is available because it may not be in the future. The shine has worn off 17HM2 and only time will tell if it lasts as an available ammo.



    LDBennett
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  10. 76Highboy

    76Highboy Well-Known Member Supporting Member

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    LDBennett, you always have good info. Thanks.
  11. srt 10 jimbo

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  12. Ledslnger

    Ledslnger New Member

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    Anyone want some 5mm Remington shells? They are making a bunch of them again. It was supposedly "dead".
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