which powder is better

Discussion in 'The Ammo & Reloading Forum' started by madbuck22, Mar 19, 2012.

  1. madbuck22

    madbuck22 Member

    Feb 20, 2011
    san diego
    In nosler and the horaday books they show imr 4350 and 4064 anyone have experience with these in a ar-10 (308)? just got my first press,dies,bullets,scale ,gauge,cci primers. stuck on the powder? thanks.
  2. cycloneman

    cycloneman Well-Known Member

    Dec 16, 2008
    you could flip a coin

    both good but i like the 4064.

  3. bntyhntr6975

    bntyhntr6975 Member

    May 5, 2009
    Wichita, Ks.
    Try them both. Thats the only way to see which it likes better. I've never used any 4350 in .308 so I have no idea how it is. But I've used quite abit of the 4064 and 4895 of IMR. My most accurate loads (for a bolt gun) is with Win 748. For me, it greatly outshoots the Fed GMM and Black Hills Match clones that I have made up. The great thing about rollin your own is that you can make and tweak rounds to exactly what your rifle likes.
  4. gdmoody

    gdmoody Moderator Supporting Member

    Sep 7, 2007
    Athens, Georgia
    I don't have an AR-10, but I do have a bolt action and a Semi-auto L1A1 in .308. I normally use Varget or Win 748 in my loads.

    I bought a pound of that CFE223 powder that supposedly cleans the copper out of your barrel as you shoot. Even though I bought if for the .223, the Hodgdon web site has loads for .308s ranging from 130 to 200 grain bullets. I might just try it out on the .308 also.
  5. jlloyd73

    jlloyd73 Active Member

    Nov 28, 2010
    FREE powder is the best IMO.........:D:D:D
  6. JLA

    JLA Well-Known Member

    Feb 26, 2007
    Heart Of Texas
    4350 is too slow for the .308. Use the IMR4064 under a 175 sierra matchking. its the same powder Federal uses in thier 7.62X51 175 gr Gold Medal Match load. 42.7 gr to be exact, in an FC case primed with a 210M primer and capped with a 175 SMK at 2.820"
  7. madbuck22

    madbuck22 Member

    Feb 20, 2011
    san diego
    cool thanks guys. what do u think about the 4350 i have? 30-06 bolt action 20inch barrel don't know the twist... will it work. tks
  8. steve4102

    steve4102 Former Guest

    Jan 27, 2006
    4350 is a standard in the 30-06. Just make sure you use the correct data for the 4350 you have. There are three of them and they are not the same.
  9. 4350 is good for both .308 and 30-06 in bolt action, it's what I use for my accuracy loads and my hunting loads. Other powders might have more get up and go to them but I like the idea that I can hit what I am shooting at more than an extra 150 fps.

    My military rifle is a M1 Garand and 4350 is contraindicated for that gun but the AR10 has no op rod to bend so it won't hurt anything. Still you might want to look at 4895 or Varget or either brand of 4064 for that gun.

    Here is a link to a burn rate chart you might want to book mark or copy for future reference. http://www.reloadbench.com/burn.html
  10. JLA

    JLA Well-Known Member

    Feb 26, 2007
    Heart Of Texas
    Yep for boltactions anyway. 57 grains under a 168 is my fav load for paper and deer both. And 10 twist has been a factory standard for .30-06 for 100 years.

    For semi autos like the M1 Garand youd be better off with a medium speed powder like H4895 and bullets lighter than 175 gr. My fav Garand load is 48 gr Varget under a 155 AMAX, its a modern 'M2 Ball' load with superior ballistics.
  11. madbuck22

    madbuck22 Member

    Feb 20, 2011
    san diego
    thanks guys for the help
  12. madbuck22

    madbuck22 Member

    Feb 20, 2011
    san diego
    is there a disadvantage of a powder burning to fast?
  13. JLA

    JLA Well-Known Member

    Feb 26, 2007
    Heart Of Texas
    Pressure spike and less velocity. Sometimes tho, depending on barrel length and bullet weight, a faster powder will be in your benefit.
  14. okiefired

    okiefired New Member

    Aug 1, 2011
    JLA's tellin ya like it is. I'd save the 4350 for your '06. My pard uses it with 175 SMK's in his 40X chambered in '06 and its probably the most accurate rifle ever fired on my range. I've run 178 Amax's pushed by Varget in my 24" AR10T for almost 3K rnds now and it works right. Varget's my chouce for the .308.

  15. Bigr Bang Thry

    Bigr Bang Thry Member

    Apr 11, 2011
    Western New York
    My AR-10 T has a preferance for Hodgdon BENCHMARK with both 110 gr V-MAX and 150 gr Remington PSP CORELOKT bullets. I tried ALOT of different powders , but that is what mine likes the best. I would try IMR 4064 with bullets weighing 150 gr or less, and IMR 4350 with bullets weighing 150 gr and more. I use BOTH of those powders, but not in the .308. I find 4064 to be the perfect powder for .22-250 , and 4350 works wonders in the .25-06. Give it a try... The only way you're going to know for sure is by testing it for yourself !
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