White House's War on Fox News

Discussion in 'The Fire For Effect and Totally Politically Incorr' started by Terry_P, Oct 19, 2009.

  1. Terry_P

    Terry_P New Member

    Mar 23, 2008
    They are upset Fox fact checked them. Remember the fabricated news stories about Bush? I guess those are ok.


    The White House escalated its offensive against Fox News on Sunday by urging other news organizations to stop "following Fox" and instead join the administration's attempt to marginalize the channel.

    White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel told CNN that President Obama does not want "the CNNs and the others in the world [to] basically be led in following Fox."

    Obama senior adviser David Axelrod went further by calling on media outlets to join the administration in declaring that Fox is "not a news organization."

    "Other news organizations like yours ought not to treat them that way," Axelrod counseled ABC's George Stephanopoulos. "We're not going to treat them that way."

    By urging other news outlets to side with the administration, Obama aides officials dramatically upped the ante in the war of words that began earlier this month, when White House communications director Anita Dunn branded Fox "opinion journalism masquerading as news."

    On Sunday, Fox's Chris Wallace retorted: "We wanted to ask Dunn about her criticism, but, as they've done every week since August, the White House refused to make any administration officials available to 'FOX News Sunday' to talk about this or anything else."

    The White House stopped providing guests to 'Fox News Sunday' after Wallace fact-checked controversial assertions made by Tammy Duckworth, assistant secretary of the Department of Veterans Affairs, in August. Dunn said fact-checking an administration official was "something I've never seen a Sunday show do."

    "She criticized 'FOX News Sunday' last week for fact-checking -- fact-checking -- an administration official," Wallace said Sunday. "They didn't say that our fact-checking was wrong. They just said that we had dared to fact-check."

    "Let's fact-check Anita Dunn, because last Sunday she said that Fox ignores Republican scandals, and she specifically mentioned the scandal involving Nevada senator John Ensign," Wallace added. "A number of Fox News shows have run stories about Senator Ensign. Anita Dunn's facts were just plain wrong."

    Fox News senior vice president Michael Clemente said: "Surprisingly, the White House continues to declare war on a news organization instead of focusing on the critical issues that Americans are concerned about like jobs, health care and two wars. The door remains open and we welcome a discussion about the facts behind the issues."

    Observers on both sides of the political aisle questioned the White House's decision to continue waging war on a news organization, saying the move carried significant political risks.

    Democratic strategist Donna Brazile said on CNN: "I don't always agree with the White House. And on this one here I would disagree."

    David Gergen, who has worked for Democratic and Republican presidents, said: "I totally agree with Donna Brazile." Gergen added that White House officials have "gotten themselves into a fight they don't necessarily want to be in. I don't think it's in their best interest."

    "The faster they can get this behind them, the more they can treat Fox like one other organization, the easier they can get back to governing, and then put some people out on Fox," Gergen said on CNN. "I mean, for goodness sakes -- you know, you engage in the debate.

    What Americans want is a robust competition of ideas, and they ought to be willing to go out there and mix it up with some strong conservatives on Fox, just as there are strong conservatives on CNN like Bill Bennett."

    Bennett expressed outrage that Dunn told an audience of high school students this year that Mao Tse-tung, the founder of communist China, was one of "my favorite political philosophers."

    "Having the spokesman do this, attack Fox, who says that Mao Zedong is one of the most influential figures in her life, was not…a small thing; it's a big thing," Bennett said on CNN. "When she stands up, in a speech to high school kids, says she's deeply influenced by Mao Zedong, that -- I mean, that is crazy."

    Fox News contributor Karl Rove, who was the top political strategist to former President George W. Bush, said: "This is an administration that's getting very arrogant and slippery in its dealings with people. And if you dare to oppose them, they're going to come hard at you and they're going to cut your legs off."

    "This is a White House engaging in its own version of the media enemies list. And it's unhelpful for the country and undignified for the president of the United States to so do," Rove added. "That is over- the-top language. We heard that before from Richard Nixon."

    Media columnist David Carr of the New York Times warned that the White House war on Fox "may present a genuine problem for Mr. Obama, who took great pains during the campaign to depict himself as being above the fray of over-heated partisan squabbling."

    "While there is undoubtedly a visceral thrill in finally setting out after your antagonists, the history of administrations that have successfully taken on the media and won is shorter than this sentence," Carr wrote over the weekend. "So far, the only winner in this latest dispute seems to be Fox News. Ratings are up 20 percent this year."

    He added: "The administration, by deploying official resources against a troublesome media organization, seems to have brought a knife to a gunfight."
  2. momo

    momo Former Guest

    Sep 18, 2007
    Obama and his henchmen are like rats, they don't like the light.

  3. red14

    red14 Well-Known Member

    Aug 17, 2009
    N FLA
    And roaches!!!:D:D:D:D
  4. Deathbunny

    Deathbunny Former Guest

    Aug 25, 2008
    This is a mistake. Not because Fox isn't the mouthpiece of the right-wingers. It is. But because getting in a pi$$ing contest with any network is a sucker's bet. It only does 2 things: 1) lends the network credibility and 2) makes you look foolish for bothering with them.

    I mean, look at all the crap about Dunn referencing Mao Tse-tung. This is a good example. She said nothing about following the ideals of communism or about the deaths of millions of Chinese -- and yet that is how her statements are being portrayed. Remember, the media will not let facts get in the way of a good story, particularly if there's political hay to be made.

    As an example: Newt Gingrich, also a Fox News contributor, quoted Mao in a 1995 Roll Call profile. "War is politics with blood; politics is war without blood," Gingrich said, citing Mao.

    Or: "Karl Rove, another Fox News contributor, wrote in a December 2008 Wall Street Journal op-ed that President Bush "encouraged me to read a Mao biography." (Both quotes from CNN)

    Cherry-picking either quotes or data is EASY. It rarely tells the truth, and NEVER the whole story.
    See what I mean?
  5. danniv

    danniv New Member

    Oct 18, 2009
    Trust me they are going to do everything they can to prevent FOX from transmitting the truth. It wont be too long before they try to regulate what can and cannot be said on tv
  6. JohnBrainard

    JohnBrainard New Member

    Sep 11, 2009
    Gilbert, AZ
    There's a huge difference between referencing or quoting someone and considering them your favorite philosopher. Dunn said the following:

    Not even close to referencing or quoting.

    This whole game of the white-house criticizing Fox News at every opportunity is childish. Obama is acting like a spoiled brat.
  7. 4EvrLearning

    4EvrLearning New Member

    Feb 27, 2009
    Left Coast
    He is not alone...Pel.osi and Gibbs are whining and demanding their way right along with him. The last such juvenile admin. was under WJC and Co., but if possible, this one surpasses.
  8. Marlin T

    Marlin T Well-Known Member

    Jul 8, 2005
    New Mexico
    And to think that NBC, IS; run out of the whitehouse.
  9. t. appleby

    t. appleby New Member

    Jul 19, 2008
    Anytime government gets to choose who and how news is put out exclusively corruption, dictatorships and death follow.
  10. Snakedriver

    Snakedriver Active Member

    Mar 4, 2009
    SW. Florida
    Well, the truth always hurts!!! FOX News has the only credible news and sometimes it is skewed. The other news agencies have all sold their souls to the devil for the sake ideology.:(

    I live by the rule to believe only about half of what I hear. :)
  11. Terry_P

    Terry_P New Member

    Mar 23, 2008
    John you are right. I have quoted Adolph Hitler "Fortune favors those who dare" but certainly do not believe in his philosophy of mass murder, extermination or world domination. In fact quite the opposite. Quotes are taken from context and applied to different situations as one chooses. Supporting a philosophy has an entirely different meaning and relates to the persons beliefs. Why do I bring up Hitler? Frankly I think he and Mao were cut from the same evil mold.
  12. 40CalJoe

    40CalJoe New Member

    Jun 28, 2009
    In the middle
    Hussein Obama and his socialist thug administration are just unbelieveable in this tact. The real message here is if you openly disagreee with the administration or question them, you get black listed by them. I am certain the other kiss-azz news outlets saluted and said "yes sir".:mad:
  13. Hardballer

    Hardballer New Member

    What I can not believe is that the other nutworks are not up in arms over this. I mean this should have been like shaking a hornets nest.

    IF they think they can do this to FOX and none of the other nutworks express outrage over it, I think we can conclude they are all compromised. And not just the nutworks. Print media should be running front page full page stories.

    A war on FOX News? FOX is not a network? Not a news organization?

    What the dearth of outrage and headlines from other media does is speak volumes about their complete and utter lack of credibility.

    When I am at an IDPA match, I am in competition with others. On the street, I have their back. If attacked, I have their back.

    I don't see that attitude here.
  14. 40CalJoe

    40CalJoe New Member

    Jun 28, 2009
    In the middle
    If they are allowed to get away with this, the next attack will be on American Citizens who publicly disagree with Hussein Obama and his merry band of socialists.
  15. Hardballer

    Hardballer New Member

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