Why would you give up your guns?

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  1. coreyacp

    coreyacp New Member

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    When england and australia had most of there bans and still are why would they give them up after they take ur guns what nxt free speech? I would really like to hear jacks opinion cause no one in this country will tak mine if there is a ban
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    Corey i have addressed this pretty much and long a couple time now take a trip back and see

    i was not in the country at the time

    i was in cambodia

    but when i came home i had 3 mates shot dead by police and another dozen or so in jail and 30 -40 more who had been charged with a criminal offence some where awaiting discharge from the military for crimainal charges

    some who refused and where locked up and still refused had their kids charged with accessory as well and gave in to save thier kids from jail
    when they come they come hard , they use dastardly tactics and charge your friends and family as accesories to get you to hand em over

    you gonna look into your kids face and say sorry you gotta go to jail corey?

    your folks face?

    your friends face ??

    your GF ??

    think about it

    i had friends leave the country and move to thailand Vanuatu other places

    the US just extradited em back to face the courts so the ones thier where screwed

    so what do you think your gonna do ??

    you that tough ?

    you all stand together or you all hang seperatly

    loss of job, house , sociali securuty etc they are big and real threats

    jail gets bigger and once they shoot a few the pressure from your family is HUGE!!!

    you that cold and stupid??

    stop em now before it happens

    its easier and way better
    ..


    cheers

    jack
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  3. coreyacp

    coreyacp New Member

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    Thats crazy an horrible is there anyway you guys can make an appeal or something to turn it around
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    you think we aint tryed ?? it was a long time ago now

    this aint new .. the world been getting disarmed for years and anyone dodgeing "gun Crimes" by going to the USA just gets handed over , your just waking up ok?? it aint new to the rest of the planet so corey look at whats been written already please

    PS we also now have sedition laws , a petition against a law is a act of sedition ( treason against a government not a nation) and peope are getting life sentances for sedition while the terrorists who tried to blow up our largest military base only got 21-28 years ( yesterday)
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    Wow thats crazy i thought australia was a free country for the most part so how do citizens make an appeal to there government?
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    Corey be polite and answer the questions above before asking more

    you keep asking them but have not answered one of mine yet

    go back to my previous posts, i am not writing it out all again OK ??

    i doubt you'd read it anyway from your responces here ..

    sorry but look what you have written its obvious you wont read what is already written so why do it again ??
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    Oh i thought most of those were rhetorical sorry im not meaning to offend you. If i was threaten with jail friends family people being shot that sort of thing yes i would give them up. In a heartbeat if it ment my gf life. But idk :/
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    Yeah I don't blame Jack. Your priorities change when your family and friends become involved.

    If you truly want to stand up to these people, you have to have nothing left to lose.
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    Neither do i its so sad jack has done so much for his country an yet they still do this its sad
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    I agree. I feel it's his basic right as a human being, to defend himself. Whether it be with or without a firearm. But not only that, he has served his country and this is how they repay him? By spitting in his face by basically denying what he fought to defend? He has a good reason to be upset.

    I heard the whole "event" that got guns heavily regulated there like they are is an issue of much debate too. What do they call it like the Port Arthur massacre? Happened in Tasmania in 1996. And there are at least two big conspiracy theories going around that it was the result of a setup by the government to advance a gun control agenda in Australia. Supposedly the 'evidence' was insufficient, and that there was no trial for this Bryant fellow - whom they said did it but had a hard time connecting him to it because nobody could positively ID him as the shooter. I don't know much about the event other than what I read about it on wikipedia, possibly Jack could fill us in on some more. But I wouldn't find it hard to believe that it was all a "Reichstag Fire" so to speak to advance a gun control agenda.

    The bigger the lie, the more people who will believe it.
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    And I apologize if I am wrong about it being a conspiracy. I'm not one of the "tinfoil hat" types. Some make sense like that JFK was murdered as a result of a conspiracy, possibly involving Oswald and the Mafia, but then there are just plain off-the-wall ones. Like the Area 51 stuff. The government has come out and admitted it was a spy operation against the Russians and has released classified documents and all that, and there are still people that refuse to believe it.

    Common sense goes a long way.

    This IS the totally politically incorrect forum, but I don't want to be seen as one who spews "conspiracy theory" mumbo jumbo all over the web like I have no life.


    So as for the Australia gun situation, this is my 2 cents.
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    The Govt has TWO official positions on the JFK assassination.

    What is the definition for conspiracy again?
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    From Wikipedia...

    # Conspiracy (civil), an agreement between persons to deceive, mislead, or defraud others of their legal rights, or to gain an unfair advantage
    # Conspiracy (crime), an agreement between persons to break the law in the future, in some cases having committed an act to further that agreement
    # Conspiracy (political), the overthrow of a government

    As far as I know, aren't the two positions the one the Warren Commission came up with and the one that the HSCA came up with?

    Warren Commission said Oswald did it alone, with the Mannlicher-Carcano 6.5mm bolt-action rifle with three shots.

    HSCA said the same thing, but also included that it was the result of a possible conspiracy involving the Mafia.


    So hey, we are all firearms people. What do you guys think? Could someone of Oswald's skill get off three shots that accurately at that distance with that rifle?

    Personally, I think he was one of the shooters because they found his partial palm print on the rifle, he ordered the rifle under a false name, and he brought curtain rods to work that day that could have been used to hide the rifle. Nothing is impossible so maybe Oswald DID do it on his own. Those bullets he used roll on their side, and if they hit bones, could explain for why people thought they changed direction in mid air.

    On the other hand, there are plenty of things that suggest additional gunmen. Bulletholes in the convertible roof frame and windshield... The Moorman photograph - which modern science has revealed the possibility of a gunman on the grassy knoll wearing a police uniform... the partial palmprint of Malcolm Wallace on the box in the TSBD... the Dictabelt recording used in the HSCA investigations... Ruby killing Oswald begs the question of mob involvement...

    Kind of makes me wonder sometimes. But I don't think we'll ever really find out for sure what happened.
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  15. Terry_P

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    That can be the only answer. If the likes of Obama, Schummer and Feinstein think they could get away with it then it would have been done by now.
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    http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?t=72997

    http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/showpost.php?p=580988&postcount=14


    in these posts i have stated what how and a few other points

    i dont know how to say it better

    now my daughter is grown and outside the country yes i would play it different

    but when this went down i had been a widower and single parent for just over a year , but luckily found a loophole to ship the semi and auto weapons to the US

    but realise when they ban guns they dont just ban guns

    they instigate a number of programs

    searches without warrants
    ban any pro gun groups as a threat to the "nation" ( and your seeing that already)
    limit your rights of protest
    limits your rights of free speech
    force registrations of weapons and ammo sales ( california and some other states already)
    create lists of expected resistors for targeting and assaination ( no kidding)
    confiscate all documentation from arms sellers so they can track you later and you better have that gun when they come or they lock you up

    and build lots of new jails ..

    this is what happened in Oz, some of this is happening and has happened in the US

    beyond that

    thats up to you

    but it is easier to stop them before they impliment these things than to fight them afterwards,

    Good Luck

    God Bless

    jack
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    That is unbelievable wow
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    Why would anyone who cares about their freedom stay in a country as harsh as that? Where there's a will there's a way. I would be getting out of their regardless of what I would have to do.
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    i hear this a lot ..

    run away

    run to where??

    not to be rude but thats what i would call < > cowardly ( put very rude expleative in front of cowardly)

    so when they try this in the US you gonna run ??

    I'm stoppin right here, we are winning some of our rights back

    it aint easy, its cost a lot personally and as a group

    but theres been enough running and hiding

    it's time to STAND UP

    ACT LIKE THE MEN AND WOMEN we are

    and fight these bastards

    and leave the running for the children and wimps and those we are chasing

    last week

    we turned a 100K donation to the good Senator Steven conroy into a nasty letter from Westafarmers , a big company here that saw things our way

    cut off the money and support to those who oppose liberty and gun ownership and they cant run for office

    we had a meeting with federal ministers to allow semi auto .22 for private citizens and we hope by the end of the year this will be fact

    1,400,000 citizens signed our notice that they would not vote for the politicians who supported anti gun bills, but that only got us through the front doors

    THIS week

    Pro shooter can have semi auto weapons for feral animal control and i have a Mini 14 ( .223) on the way from NZ as i type

    sir we are winning , but i say again its way easier to stop em BEFORE they do this than to claw your way back

    so you run when the time comes for you if you want

    ( someone hand him his hat and hanky on his way out please)

    BUT HERE I STAND AND I DEFY ANYONE TO MOVE ME

    the political side of this the Australian shooters Party has two seats in the senate ( like your congress ) and we hope to have 7 after the next election with myself running as a independant candidate and if successful that will make 8 out of 64 seats, we cant dictate laws then yet but we can block new ones like political pay rises and we will ,propose a reduction in pay and benefits for all politicians

    no money for the big boys, less benefits and perks , less power for them the weild? many will leave politics and return to big business and lobbying

    thats the goal

    Full auto weapons will always be a issue here as the brain washing has gone on too long a entire generation has grown up with the man with the gun song ( now banned from schools by joint protests with groups including the police over 5 years..)

    handguns will always be registered we have too much of a british history but as long as we can own guns and defend ourselves we'll be safe and secure and thats the end goal and entire game in a nutshell

    yes we expect them to come at us hard again but so far we have stopped them and become a right royal PITA to the UN disarmament crew
    and we will continue until we win

    there is no quarter expected and we shall give none in return

    but thats not some peoples idea eh

    cheers

    jack
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