winchester model 94 ser. num 4267762

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  1. ringo33

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    Not only would I like to know what its worth in good condition but really would love to know what year it was made thanks in advance
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    Anybody can tell me what year would be a great
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    Anybody can tell me what year would be a great
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    Well----"what year" is answered. Now to value:

    Blue Book Sez: For a plain vanilla post 1964 Mdl 94 carbine in about any
    caliber other than 7-30 waters,

    100% $425
    95% $295
    80% $200
    60% $150

    Bluebook prices are RETAIL. Model 94 prices seem to vary a bit by region.
    For a better idea of value, check the auction sites and see what guns in
    similar condition to yours are SELLING for. Not the asking price, but actual
    sales.
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    Thank u all so much my gun has a dark walnut stock still very nice conditon my question is this. Is there I site I can go to and check serial numbers on my other model 94 models? Thanks
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    The dates you find online or in the Bluebook are all wrong because they are based on the Madis information. Bert Hartman and Larry Shennum are in the process of correcting the dates from Winchester polishing room records.
    I have all the correct dated serial numbers up to 1945, I can look up your numbers for you if you like.
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    Trap55,

    I may take you up on that if it is more accurate. I've checked mine several times over the last few years and each time it gets older. I must be too because I can never remember the date. Maybe I'll write it down this time,...if I can remember to do that. :)

    os
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    the markets gone nuts on the winchester lever guns.now that they are no longer made their values are what ever the market will allow.i know in my part of the country if you can find one for sale and in half decent shape the price will be anywhere from 300.00 to 500.00. old semperfi
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    $250 - $350 depending on condition and options is about right for my area of the country.

    For someone to think that they have something when all it was - was a cheap deer hunting rifle - I wouldn't get too excited.

    Collectors looks for rifles that have never been fired and never been used and never been handled.
    A friend of mine and his father collected Winchester rifles for 30 years.
    They bought every edition that came out from 1965 to about 1985.
    At one point - they bought about 10 John Wayne Commemoratives at Grice Gun Shop when they first came out - and none of them has been out of the box.
    They have every one that is on this list - Winchester Commemoratives

    http://collectorsfirearms.com/admin/show_inventory.php?catID=6&subcatID=55
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    Trap55

    The latest info I found was that the 1894 that is in the family was built in 1916.
    Serial No. 793023

    Is that the same in your corrected info?

    For years we were told it was made in the 30's then one place I checked said it was in the early 20's

    See what I mean about it getting older?

    Thanks, os
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    One Shot, It just got older!:D Serial No. 793023 left the polishing room early to mid 1915.
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    Thanks Trap55,

    Maybe if I keep this up it will become an original 1894.

    Still my favorite deer gun.

    os
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    One Shot, that's as old as it's going to get, that date is right off the original Winchester records.:)

    Here's some of the info that Bert has compiled on the 94's. Scroll to the bottom for his email to submit yours for reference. The revised DOM numbers are going to stir up some ca-ca, because it's going to change the status of some some rifles from "Antique" to "C&R" and vice versa.

    From Bert:
    A bored mind is a terrible thing to waste, so having some free time to kill, I finally put together a fact sheet on the true production ratios and the verified DOMs for the Winchester Model 1894/94.

    As many of you will undoubtedly note, the figures I have compiled below vary significantly from the numbers published by George Madis in his tomes "The Winchester Book" and "The Winchester Handbook". All of my statistical numbers were derived from a detailed survey (conducted by the Cody Firearms Museum) of the first 353,999 serial number records, and from the Polishing Room Serialization Record Books (held by the Cody Firearms Museum).

    Unfortunately for all of the many collectors and interested people, all of the remaining pre-64 factory warehouse records (serial numbers 354,000 - 2,600,000+ were destroyed in a fire in the late 1950s or early 1960s. Undoubtedly, all of the caliber, and the Rifle versus Carbine production number ratios would change drastically if the records were available for serial numbers 354,000 - 2,600,298. The Polishing Room Serialization Record Books (PRSRBs) which contain nothing more than just the serial number, fortunately survive up to serial number 1,352,066, which was manufactured on December 29th, 1945.

    For all of the many people who collect the Model 1894/94, this information should be both very enlightening and useful, and I highly encourage everyone to save a copy of it.

    Production ratios for the first 353,999 Model 1894s made:

    4:5 (78.19%) were Rifles (276,780)
    1:5 (21.20%) were Saddle Ring Carbines (75,075)

    1:2 (45.92%) was a 30 W.C.F. (162,568)
    1:5 (22.80%) was a 38-55 (80,734)
    1:9 (11.31%) was a 32-40 (40,023)
    1:9 (10.45%) was a 25-35 W.C.F. (36,999)
    1:11 (8.77%) was a 32 W.S. (31,050)

    1:13 (7.60%) were Take Down Rifles (26,934)

    9:10 (91.6%) had a full length magazine (324,270)
    1:13 (7.51%) had a 1/2 magazine (26,579)
    1:688 (0.15%) had a 2/3 magazine (515)
    1:770 (0.13%) had a 3/4 magazine (459)
    Just (1) gun had a 7/8 magazine

    1:20 (5.02%) had a shotgun butt (17,768)
    1:584 (0.17%) carbines had rifle butt plates (606)
    1:1655 (0.06%) had a Swiss butt plate (209 rifles, 5 carbines)
    1:3308 (0.03%) rifles had carbine butt plates (107)

    1:26 (3.88%) rifles had pistol grip stocks (13,703)
    1:34 (2.97% had checkered stocks (10,512)
    1:718 (0.14%) carbines had pistol grip stocks (493)
    1:4023 (0.025%) had carved stocks (81 rifles, 7 carbines)
    1:9567 (0.01%) had a cheek piece (37)

    1:69 (1.46%) had a double-set trigger (5,153)
    1:70800 (0.0014%) had a single set trigger (5)

    1:3026 (0.033%) were nickel plated (117)
    1:3978 (0.025%) were silver or gold plated (89)

    1:668 (0.15%) were inscribed (530)
    1:998 (0.10%) were engraved (355)
    Just (1) gun had a matted receiver (on the frame ring)

    1:1744 (0.057%) had a matted barrel (200 rifles, 3 carbines)
    1:3000 (0.033%) rifles had interchangeable barrels (TD) (118)

    1:2255 (0.044%) had a case hardened receiver (155 rifles, 2 carbines)

    1:88500 (0.0011% had a factory installed scope (4)
    Just (1) rifle had a factory installed Maxim silencer (Teddy Roosevelt’s)

    (2067) records are blank
    (184) were sold as receivers only

    Serial number 53,941 is the last “Antique” number based on the information in the Polishing Room records.

    For the years 1894 through 1945, the DOMs published by George Madis (and copied/republished by nearly every other reference book or internet website) do not agree with the original surviving factory records (the factory warehouse ledgers and the PRSRB records), and they are inaccurate by nearly four years in the 1896 - 1914 timeframe.

    Winchester began producing Model 94s at an accelerated pace starting in 1935. By the end of the year 1935, Madis' published DOM list and the PRSRB records only differ by just (17) serial numbers (1099625 versus 1099608), but they rapidly begin to diverge in the ensuing years.

    Winchester's production of the Model 94 averaged about 35,000 units per year for the next (7) years (1936-1942 inclusive), and once again, Madis’ published numbers diverge from the PRSRB records. The PRSRB records end at serial number 1,352,066, which is listed as the last Model 94 serial number recorded on December 29th of 1945.

    Following WW II, Winchester averaged approximately 100,000 Model 94s per year from 1946 - 1953, then about 55,000 per year through 1963. The numbers I have listed below are estimates that are based on my research survey, and they should not be relied upon to determine an "exact" DOM.

    1946 ended at circa serial number 1,411,000
    1947 ended at circa serial number 1,470,000
    1948 ended at circa serial number 1,560,000
    1949 ended at circa serial number 1,660,000
    1950 ended at circa serial number 1,760,000
    1951 ended at circa serial number 1,875,000
    1952 ended at circa serial number 1,960,000
    1953 ended at circa serial number 2,045,000
    1954 ended at circa serial number 2,100,500
    1955 ended at circa serial number 2,156,000
    1956 ended at circa serial number 2,211,500
    1957 ended at circa serial number 2,267,000
    1958 ended at circa serial number 2,322,500
    1959 ended at circa serial number 2,388,000
    1960 ended at circa serial number 2,453,500
    1961 ended at circa serial number 2,510,000
    1962 ended at circa serial number 2,564,500
    1963 ended at circa serial number 2,600,300

    Winchester changed the designation from "Model 1894" to "Model 94" very shortly after a "Change in Manufacture Order" was issued by Frank F. Burton on February 2nd, 1919.

    The following list contains verified Model 1894 dates based on the factory warehouse ledgers (held by the Cody Firearms Museum). The actual DOMs listed in the PRSRB will typically precede the "received in warehouse" date by an average of 4-weeks.:

    EDIT: I recently added a very significant number of new serial numbers to this list. It should now very clearly show the progression of verified dates of manufacture. I do not plan to add any additional new serial numbers to the list on this post. That said, I am still updating my personal database survey with additional verified numbers. If anyone would like to contribute to the survey, please send me a PM.

    Serial*** Received Date
    22 - 10-20-1894
    61 - 11-27-1894
    90 - 12-7-1894
    136 - 11-1-1894 (1st Takedown received)
    137 - 11-14-1894
    139 - 11-14-1894
    165 - 12-8-1894
    170 - 11-2-1894
    204 - 12-1-1894
    257 - 11-13-1894
    266 - 11-12-1894
    309 - 11-6-1894
    338 - 1-5-1895
    563 - 11-21-1894
    603 - 11-22-1894
    604 - 11-23-1894
    624 - 12-10-1894
    679 - 11-24-1894
    734 - 2-2-1895
    814 - 12-8-1894
    832 - 2-16-1895
    988 - 12-10-1894
    1296 - 12-26-1894
    1368 - 12-29-1894
    1673 - 2-4-1895
    1835 - 3-5-1895 (1st engraved)
    2465 - 8-12-1895
    3314 - 5-29-1895 (1st 30 W.C.F.)
    3559 - 4-26-1895
    4176 - 4-18-1895
    4598 - 6-10-1895
    4762 - 6-29-1895
    5014 - 7-18-1895 (1st 25-35 W.C.F.)
    5044 - 8-1-1895
    5047 - 9-6-1895
    5579 - 9-13-1895
    5860 - 8-29-1895
    6506 - 10-3-1895
    7566 - 10-17-1895
    11020 - 12-10-1895
    12356 - 3-26-1896
    12695 - 11-4-1896
    12962 - 7-30-1896
    12970 - 5-21-1897
    13135 - 4-14-1896
    14311 - 7-28-1896
    15315 - 6-29-1896
    15332 - 8-7-1896
    15488 - 10-9-1896
    16259 - 10-31-1896
    16400 - 10-26-1896
    16582 - 10-3-1896
    17819 - 3-11-1897
    17862 - 12-16-1896
    20041 - 3-11-1897
    20492 - 8-30-1901
    22905 - 6-5-1897
    25762 - 10-13-1897
    26639 - 10-1-1897
    26831 - 9-10-1897
    27056 - 10-26-1897
    27122 - 10-27-1897
    27158 - 3-4-1902 (1st 32 W.S.)
    28202 - 10-25-1897
    32192 - 3-24-1898 (Factory engraved)
    32246 - 1-27-1898
    35925 - 12-9-1899
    38802 - 4-20-1898
    39555 - 7-20-1898
    46056 - 8-13-1898
    46821 - 8-30-1898
    46831 - 9-19-1898
    46882 - 12-22-1900
    47142 - 9-15-1898
    47176 - 9-23-1898
    47431 - 9-29-1898
    47856 - 10-20-1898
    48116 - 10-22-1898
    48468 - 10-15-1898
    48466 - 10-15-1898
    49796 - 12-28-1898
    49809 - 11-10-1898
    49980 - 12-19-1898
    50840 - 9-13-1899
    50909 - 11-17-1898
    ***********
    54160 - 9-8-1899
    59367 - 5-23-1899
    59668 - 5-22-1899
    60584 - 4-4-1899
    60879 - 4-17-1899
    61710 - 5-8-1899
    62652 - 5-12-1899
    63274 - 8-3-1899
    64043 - 8-10-1899
    64406 - 8-19-1899
    64872 - 9-1-1899
    65056 - 10-18-1899
    66200 - 8-25-1899
    67776 - 9-26-1899
    67952 - 9-19-1899
    69622 - 10-10-1899
    70126 - 10-19-1899
    70788 - 10-20-1899
    71479 - 11-4-1899
    71560 - 11-1-1899
    73342 - 7-3-1900
    74059 - 11-24-1899
    77924 - 3-29-1900
    78333 - 9-12-1900
    79036 - 1-8-1900
    84801 - 3-24-1900
    85249 - 8-9-1900
    85741 - 4-24-1900
    85816 - 6-20-1900
    85930 - 7-7-1900
    86623 - 7-24-1900
    87767 - 9-1-1900
    88624 - 7-2-1900
    89924 - 12-28-1900
    96641 - 1-8-1901
    96800 - 1-9-1901
    97581 - 4-25-1901
    97869 - 11-2-1900
    98829 - 3-1-1901
    99126 - 12-7-1900
    100621 - 8-3-1901
    100955 - 2-4-1901
    100994 - 3-11-1901
    106970 - 2-25-1901
    107731 - 10-5-1901
    109921 - 5-25-1901
    108346 - 6-1-1901
    111524 - 4-2-1901
    112916 - 4-24-1901
    113997 - 5-18-1901
    115623 - 10-22-1901
    116570 - 7-29-1901
    118828 - 10-5-1901
    118446 - 8-6-1901
    119046 - 8-2-1901 (18-inch Trapper Carbine)
    119244 - 9-3-1901
    119959 - 2-5-1902
    120238 - 8-20-1901
    122029 - 9-27-1901
    122466 - 10-24-1901
    124883 - 10-17-1901
    125858 - 10-7-1901
    128249 - 3-10-1904
    128693 - 3-11-1902
    131170 - 11-15-1901
    131497 - 11-19-1901
    136647 - 1-31-1902
    139319 - 12-13-1902
    139676 - 3-14-1902
    142899 - 5-10-1902
    145358 - 7-29-1902
    145643 - 7-21-1902
    146235 - 9-2-1902
    150670 - 8-29-1902
    152631 - 10-6-1902
    154488 - 10-16-1902
    154905 - 9-17-1902
    155354 - 10-25-1902
    156875 - 10-17-1902
    164526 - 12-16-1902
    165264 - 12-11-1902
    167894 - 2-24-1903
    168355 - 5-29-1903
    168865 - 2-10-1903
    176427 - 5-23-1903
    176792 - 4-17-1903
    177990 - 5-1-1903
    180787 - 6-12-1903
    182665 - 7-20-1903
    186261 - 7-24-1903
    187561 - 8-17-1903
    189302 - 11-3-1903
    190079 - 8-28-1903
    199578 - 12-5-1903
    203012 - 1-11-1904
    203606 - 1-9-1904
    203617 - 12-30-1903
    206055 - 3-4-1904
    206175 - 2-1-1904
    216183 - 6-21-1904
    222901 - 3-30-1905
    225852 - 7-2-1904
    226254 - 12-19-1908
    227057 - 7-15-1904
    235840 - 9-20-1904
    239193 - 10-27-1904
    240596 - 5-9-1905
    244142 - 8-23-1905
    249157 - 12-24-1904
    249665 - 5-8-1905
    250113 - 2-5-1906
    256862 - 4-28-1905
    257652 - 4-11-1905
    259195 - 4-22-1905
    260056 - 7-15-1905
    261228 - 9-5-1905
    261408 - 8-29-1905
    265717 - 8-12-1905
    274317 - 8-24-1905
    274648 - 3-21-1906
    275004 - 10-7-1905
    276723 - 9-25-1905
    277476 - 10-25-1905
    280853 - 10-22-1906
    282746 - 4-25-1906
    288514 - 1-30-1906
    299679 - 4-2-1906
    301737 - 4-1-1907
    302051 - 9-26-1906
    303891 - 5-18-1906
    304600 - 7-21-1906
    309409 - 3-13-1908
    311943 - 8-11-1906
    311946 - 8-31-1906
    313571 - 9-14-1905
    314210 - 8-30-1906
    314870 - 9-11-1906
    318034 - 10-6-1906
    324134 - 1-9-1907
    324386 - 11-24-1906
    324596 - 1-8-1907
    325531 - 5-20-1907
    326869 - 8-20-1907
    327349 - 12-12-1906
    330989 - 1-5-1907
    335602 - 2-2-1907
    336447 - 3-16-1907
    337827 - 2-26-1907
    340492 - 3-7-1907
    353136 - 6-20-1907
    353512 - 11-4-1907

    Significant serial numbers;

    1,000,000 was engraved and presented to President Calvin Coolidge in 1927
    1,500,000 was presented to President Harry S. Truman on May 8th, 1948
    2,000,000 was presented to President Dwight Eisenhower in 1953
    2,500,000 was assembled in 1961
    3,000,000 was assembled in 1970

    All told, by January of the year 1980, 5,200,000 Model 1894/94 Rifles, Carbines, and Commemoratives had been manufactured at Winchester’s New Haven factory.

    As I was going through some of the recently posted questions on the forum, I realized that I had neglected to address the dates and serial numbers for the introduction of the various calibers... the following list should help rectify that.

    edit: I received a request concerning when and what the first Saddle Ring Carbine (SRC) was, so I have added this new information;

    38-55 Rifle - serial number 24, 10-22-1894
    38-55 Carbine - serial number 46, 3-36-1895 (by serial number order)
    38-55 Carbine - serial number 471, 11-1-1894 (by date order)

    32-40 Rifle - serial number 692, 12-14-1894
    32-40 Carbine - serial number 1409, 1-18-1895

    30 W.C.F. Rifle - serial number 3314, 5-29-1895
    30 W.C.F. Carbine - serial number 4787, 6-24-1895

    25-35 W.C.F. Rifle - serial number 5014, 7-18-1895
    25-35 W.C.F. Carbine - serial number 6506, 10-1-1895

    32 W.S. Rifle - serial number 107731, 10-5-1901
    32 W.S. Carbine - serial number 22967, 8-27-1902 (by serial number order)
    32 W.S. Carbine - serial number 142889, 5-10-1902 (by date order)


    The above information should allow anyone with a letterable Model 1894 (serial 1 - 353999) to very closely estimate the DOM. For those who are interested in adding your Model 1894 to my database, please get in touch with me at Win1885@msn.com
  18. One Shot

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    That is good information to have. Mine is a saddle ring carbine but sometime in the late 50's or early 60' my older brothers removed the ring. (made too much noise in the woods I was told) The post is still there for the ring. Bought a new ring and a ring and post but haven't put them on. Just hate to change the old girl.

    Thanks again for all the info.

    os
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