World War II Military Aircraft Trivia?-US ONLY

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    HondoJohn6508
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    What were the only 2 military aircraft in production before and after the hostilities ceased?

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    Off the top of my head.....the C-47/DC3 was one.....and probably the PBY.

    Come to think of it, I think there were quite a few if you count aircraft that were completed after VJ day on contracts made late in WWII.

    P-38, P-40, B-17, B-24.......

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    Xracer,
    You got one of 'um----P-38, it was in production before the war and was still in production after the war ended. The C47/DC3 doesn't count as it was a commercial aircraft that was reconfigured for war time use. Maybe I didn't phrase my question properly and that is causing confusion. The planes must be for military use only, not commercial like the DC-3.( Boy, what a great aircraft!!!! Still in commercial use today!) The P-40,B-17 and B-24 production was stopped during the war so as to produce the newer fighters/bombers like the B-29,P-51,F4U and F6F. Hint, the other aircraft was a light bomber and was in service in both theatres of operation.

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    Well.....the PBY was produced both before and after WWII.....also, the B-24 continued production after the war in it's single-tailed configuration as the PB4Y Privateer. Also, check on the P-40....I believe the "N" was still being produced at the war's end.

    The only USAAC light bomber we had was the A-20 Havoc, but I thought that it was phased out when production of the A-26 Invader began in '44.

    The only Navy "light bomber" used throughout the war was the SBD.....but I believe production of those stopped in early '45.

    Edited by: Xracer at: 1/16/02 12:07:42 pm

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    I would have guessed the DC-3 also....., maybe a torpedo bomber or something like that???
    Wyoming Swede

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    Nope....at the start of the war the Navy was flying the TBD.....the TBF/TBM made it's debut in '42 and continued throughout and after the war. It was still being manufactured into the late '40's in it's anti-sub and radar/early warning configurations.

    One of the "Turkey's" lesser known, but very important roles, was as an anti-sub aircraft in WWII....flying off of Jeep Carriers escorting convoys in the North Atlantic. Carrying depth charges in the torpedo bay, and 500 lb. bombs on wing racks, they sunk quite a number of U-Boats.

    Edited by: Xracer at: 1/16/02 5:01:14 pm

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    I was watching,I believe, the history channel several months ago and the particular programs dealt with WWII aircraft,US,Brits,German,USSR,etc. One of the historians made the comment on US military aircraft that only 2 were being built before the war were still being turned out when the war ceased. The P-38 and the B25. I had no reason to doubt the statement,however, if anyone wishes to dispute the assessment, please do so. Research on this could be either fun or a drag. Best regards, ol' John in Hondo.

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    X, the 40N was produced in limited numbers in 44, but none were made in 45 I'm pretty sure...

    I guess we have to know what they meant by "before the war..." do they mean pre-41? or pre-39?

    The A20 WAS produced before '41, and the Brits used it as the Havoc, and it was still being built after '45...in limited numbers I'm pretty sure...

    And I hate to say it, but GM was still turning out FM2 Wildcats at the end of the war...it was still the standard fighter for those same "Jeep" carriers...I'm PRETTY sure...

    Was the B-17 no longer in production before the war ended? I know some were DELIVERED to the 8th after the war ended...and it WAS in production before the war...

    Good topic, time to head for Jane's.......




    We must make war as we must; not as we would like. - Field Marshal Kitchener, 1915

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    I'd presume between 12/7/41 and 9/2/45, since we're talking about US aircraft only.

    I believe you're right on the FM-2......and I still say the PBY was produced before and after....and the B-24 (if you consider that the single-tailed PB4Y was the same aircraft).

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    Well, Janes is pretty crappy on production end dates...but some are listed...B-24, last production was May 31, 1945...PRETTY DURN CLOSE if you ask me...but, yeah the PB4Y-4 stayed in production for the Navy...

    The Cat? 1935-whenever NAC quit making their -6 version amphibian, I BELIEVE it was after the war...

    The PBM Mariner was produced before and after...

    I thought we had it with the P-47...first production model delivered November 1941...but didn't have an end date, I THOUGHT Republic kept making them at least for foriegn governments like Brazil, etc....

    The FM-2 Wildcat has no end date listed, even though they were in action off of jeep carriers and British Carriers right to the end of the war aginst the Germans and the Japs...interesting is that some Brit Wildcat IIs were used in a RNAF raid for flak suppression on a Norwegian port against German shipping on the last day of the War in Europe...

    The A-20 finished production in 44...

    Marauder is close too...prototype delivered and orders placed in late 41, but first delivery of production model was January 42....


    We must make war as we must; not as we would like. - Field Marshal Kitchener, 1915

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    Gosh, I just LOVE topics like this, for other reasons too...

    Sent me to the bookshelf...actually had me scurrying around on my knees panicking, HOPING my wife wouldn't have pitched my "Wildcat Aces of WWII" book...(actually, the book was smaller than I remembered it, I just overlooked it...)

    Anyway, just giving me the reason to flip through a book again I read years ago again...THANK YOU.

    Reading cool stuff again you forgot...like the jeep carriers had "composite" squadrons, made up of Wildcats and Avengers in the same squadron...called "VC" squadrons...and on January 12, 1945, while the rest of TF-38s planes were striking Jap and Vichy French forces in Saigon, the CVEs provided CAP for the fleet...and two Wildcats shot down a Jake floatplane "snooper"...first and only time BROTHERS shared a "kill..." LT(jgs) Alton and Grant Donnelly from VC-11....and it was the ONLY kill VC-11 had for the war...betch THEY had something to talk about the rest of their lives...

    And again, how the Wildcat "carried the ball" (and did it well!) at Leyte Gulf...long after supposedly "replaced" by the Hellcat...Lt Kenneth Hippe from VC-3 became the LAST Wildcat "Ace-in-a-day" by shooting down 5 Lilly Bombers on the first day of the battle...(and lest you think Wildcats really WEREN'T in air to air much that late, Lt Cmd Harold Funk got "Ace-in-a day" status THAT SAME MORNING...4 bombers and a Zeke...then flew a second sortie that evening, and got an Irving...for 6 kills in one day...in a FM-2...of 270 Japs shot down on Oct24-25, during the Battle, 65 of them fell to the VCs...Wildcats or Avenger gunners....

    And seeing the color plate of the Fleet AIr Arm "Martlet" in DESERT camo, 1941 sure looked wierd...another one in DDay stripes (They escorted TBFs on Asub and Anti-Eboat patrols in the Channel)

    And reading about Wildcats covering Torch...TOTALLY green US pilots fighting EXPERIENCED French pilots in Dewoitine520s, Hawk 75s, and Potez 63s on November 8...including some from a squadron that traced it's lineage to the "Lafayette Escadrille" of WWI fame...and popped 18 of them with no losses...(even though they also shot down two British planes "in error...")

    Again, THANK you for driving me back to a book I probably wouldn't have picked up again for awhile...heck I might as well read the whole thing again...

    And I STILL say the Wildcat was the BEST plane of the war...
    We must make war as we must; not as we would like. - Field Marshal Kitchener, 1915

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    Think I was wrong on the PBY. Finally got around to looking it up. According to "The Complete Encylopedia Of World Aircraft", the last of the "tall tail" PBYs ( the 6A) was manufactured by Consolidated in April, 1945.

    Yeah, Polish.....great fun lookin' thru these old books.

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    Yeah, X, but Naval Aircraft Corporation took over building the -6 Cat from Consolidated, and started making them in 45, and made them for at LEAST a year...kinda like when Grumman quit making the Wildcat and Avenger in 44 and Eastern stepped up to the plate....
    We must make war as we must; not as we would like. - Field Marshal Kitchener, 1915

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    I heard on the history channel that the Spitfire was the only allied fighter to be in continous production throughout the whole war... but if we just consider US participation from 1941 on... what a good question! A lot of planes were in prototype stages, but actual production? I can't think of a single fighter, perhaps the P-38, but I don't know for sure.

    Have a feelin the answer is gonna be some bizzare recce or floatplane type.
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    The P-38 for sure, if a production order is the standard. Then there's the SNJ/AT type which continued in use into the Fifties. >MW
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