Would you rather have 500 fmj's or 250 hp's in WROL situations

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  1. DoubleTap9mm

    DoubleTap9mm New Member

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    hey guys and gal's. This is my first post and i want to get more experienced personnel than myself on this topic. If god forbid somehow the united states went into a depression and society broke down... Would you rather have 500 fmj's , or would you rather have 250 Hp's. either handgun or rifles, your choice ( in other words double the FMJ's than HP's)

    FMJ- -Pro's- Cheaper, more penetration (walls), more ammo = more rounds down range/ last longer in a fight or siege

    -Con's- may need multiple hits to take down target, over penetration into unintended bystandards/vehicles

    HP- -Pro's- more damage to target

    Con's- more expensive, less ammo in a siege

    i know i'm missing some pro's and con's on both.... what is your take on this hypothetical question?
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  2. Chinook

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    Welcome to the forums!

    To answer your question, which everyone will answeer differently... I would take the volume, over the expansion. I am pretty confident that in a SHTF scenario, I will be elevated, and using some sort of cover. I plan to take any threat seriously, and head shots are imminent. No if's, and's, or but's about it. Ill take the 500 FMJ's!
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    whatever I could get my hands on
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    rcairflr Well-Known Member

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    If it got that bad, I would want 5000 not 500.
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    I got well over 5,000 of both!
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    This is true! For a lot of us, we have hoardes of ammo on hand, in all varieties... But if magic took away my stash of lead/copper, I'd take volume over expansion any day!
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  8. Bobitis

    Bobitis Guest

    What would you choose, and why?
  9. reynolds357

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    It all depends on what weapon they will be shot in. For example, a FMJ shot in a .220 Swift does massive damage. The hyper velocity horseshoes the FMJ on impact and causes it to tumble and do more damage than an expanding bullet.
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    i prefer shot placement than firepower that dont hit so i'm either way , gimme more of either , i'll hit the target and it'll go down

    oh and even here, 500 ? thats a percentage .. ;)
  11. Bobitis

    Bobitis Guest

    Agreed.

    My question was directed at the op.
  12. jstgsn

    jstgsn Well-Known Member

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    Dear Double Tap 9mm.
    Welcome to the forum. I have been here for some time and have found it to be the most intelligent forum on the web dealing with firearms. With that said, I must caution you; “These boys have been around for a while.” They are always leery of those opposed to gun ownership, and with good reason. There are hundreds of websites and private organizations that would be glad if private gun ownership in the United States would cease. These are the socialists and liberals who infest our society. The ones who say our constitution and bill of rights are without meaning. The ones who go onto firearm websites and hope to find a “quote” from someone they can use against gun owners. But I’m sure you are not such a low down cur.
    That being said, I would recommend the following.
    Make sure your family understands that our society may fail. The accepted understanding that “we are civilized” is actually hanging on a thread. All over our country, The United States of America, there are examples of this happening as I write. In Peoria, Ill. Groups of youths are marching down the street attacking people in their cars. In the border states people are attacked by illegal immigrants with automatic weapons our government provided. In New York City there were over 100 shooting each night for the past week. In Boston they have had civil unrest where buildings are defaced. Our president is encouraging riff raff to continue and cause problems. If you look at the big picture you will see the planet is at turmoil everywhere. Look at the earthquakes and storms and so forth that have always existed. This is not the Al Gore problem he is getting rich from, it is nature and nature is a cruel mother. Through out the world, people are in armed rebellion for countless reasons.
    So, when the crap hits the fan, I for one would want the firearms I am most familiar with, loaded with the more deadly loads. Right now, without civil strife immediately around my home, I shoot the least expensive round throughout the month, with periodic “live fire” of the more deadly, more expensive, hollow points etc. I want to be familiar with where everything I shoot hits the target. As far as when the SHTF I will hopefully have plenty of both.
    Of course I will go with the accepted manual on combat situations.
    1. Bring a gun. Preferably, bring at least two guns. Bring all of your friends who have guns.
    2. Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammo is cheap - life is expensive.
    3. Only hits count. The only thing worse than a miss is a slow miss.
    4. If your shooting stance is good, you're probably not moving fast enough or using cover correctly.
    5. Move away from your attacker. Distance is your friend. (Lateral and diagonal movement are preferred.)
    6. If you can choose what to bring to a gunfight, bring a long gun and a friend with a long gun.
    7. In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or tactics. They will only remember who lived. (Who lived depends on who put more holes in someone quicker than they put holes in you.)
    8. If you are not shooting, you should be communicating, reloading, and running.
    9. Accuracy is relative: most combat shooting standards will be more dependent on "pucker factor" than the inherent accuracy of the gun. Use a gun that works EVERY TIME. "All skill is in vain when an Angel blows the powder from the flintlock of your musket."
    10. Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.
    11. Always cheat, always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.
    12. Have a plan.
    13. Have a back-up plan, because the first one won't work.
    14. Use cover or concealment as much as possible.
    15. Flank your adversary when possible. Protect yours.
    16. Don't drop your guard.
    17. Always tactical load and threat scan 360 degrees.
    18. Watch their hands. Hands kill. (In God we trust. Everyone else, keep your hands where I can see them.)
    19. Decide to be aggressive ENOUGH, quickly ENOUGH.
    20. The faster you finish the fight, the less shot you will get.
    21. Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
    22. Be courteous to everyone, friendly to no one.
    23. Your number one option for personal security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.
    24. Do not attend a gun fight with a handgun, the caliber of which does not start with anything smaller than "4".
    25. You can't miss fast enough to win.
    26. If you can’t hit what you are shooting at with what you are shooting, give the weapon to someone who can. You should hide and offer to reload.
    27. It is worse to get hit with three full metal jacket bullets than missed with one hollow point.
    28. If you are out of ammo, you need to look for a sharp instrument or a rock.
    29. Chuck Norris never surrendered. Ever.
  13. DoubleTap9mm

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    thanks everyone, i appreciate the input. I've been trying to figure out what i should by either bulk fmj's or the more expensive hp's. i now believe the answer is clear... get as many bullets as i can. I've been trying out all kinds of 9mm and i've found that the winchester white box work fairly well in my gun and are relatively cheap. the only problem is that i'm not sure where i can buy in bulk to lessen the overall price. where do you guys buy from? i've tried places such as gander, Ace but they always seem to be more expensive there than most places. so do you buy online, walmart, sporting goods stores... wheres the best place to buy lets say 250-500 at a time.

    P.S

    don't worry jstgsn, i'm a true believer in the second amendment. if we didn't have that there would be nothing stopping the system to run right over us. most people believe that the second amendment was just to allow us to own guns but it's actually there so that we have the ability to stop those who wish to impose tyranny on us (ALTHOUGH THERE TRYING HARD)
  14. hunter29180

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    DoubleTap9mm..first the important thing..WELCOME TO TFF!!:dancingdots::dancingdots:

    next 500 of either just isnt enough..at least 5000 please, either will do, could i get 5000 of both?

    to reduce cost maybe look at reloading?? with the volume you are discussing (500 is a good amount for a 1/2 day at the range:eek:) and i expect you will soon agree 5000 is a min number to START! you will save a good bit depending on what you are shooting. just a thought for you to think about!
  15. DoubleTap9mm

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    thanks for the warm welcome. i'm picking up couple hundred 9mm and a bulk box of 500 in.22. hopefully over time ill have the 5,000 that i need... although it might take awhile.

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