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Young America .22 Question

Discussion in 'Technical Questions & Information' started by grover26, Mar 24, 2012.

  1. grover26

    grover26 New Member

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    What is the difference between an H&R Young American .22 'Black Powder' and 'Smokeless Powder' pull-pin revolver? Is it only the cylinder and possibly the barrel, or is the frame also stronger due to design or materials? Reason I'm asking is that I have a very good 'Black Powder' model....indexes well, tight lock-up. I also have a cylinder and barrel from a 'Smokeless' donor gun. Would swapping out these parts, in essence, result in a 'Smokeless' gun capable of safely firing modern ammo? Of course, this is assuming the gun is in sound firing order.
  2. RJay

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    The frame takes as much , if not more, of the stress of firring than the barrel or cylinder. There are a lot of old guns around that have been shot " loose " by firing modern ammo. The cylinders and barrels still look OK, but frame has stretched and even cracked.
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    Thanks for the info, Ron. So I guess the frames of the 'smokless' era guns, though they look similar to the black powder models, are actually of stronger construction.
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    From what research I've done recently - most manufacturers, including H&R, determined the need to improve the strength (metallurgical properties) of their firearms when the smokeless/Nitro based powders began to enter the scene in the 1880's and '90's. H&R changed some metal formulations and began special heat treating of the forged barrels and cylinders to withstand the sharper pressue spike with smokeless. I don't know what they did with the cast frames. It must have taken them some time and experimentation (H&R and others) to come up with the proper treatments because I can see signs of changes occuring before H&R officially declared their guns capable in the 1905 era.
    I have seen a "few" .22 caliber older/turn of the century guns, including H&R .22s with blown cylinders. As RJay states, the frames take some shock, also - don't really know how many rounds it would take to deform a solid frame, guess it would all be luck of the draw.
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    Gentleman Jim, If it were mine I would use CB Shorts, the CB Shorts have no powder, only a primer and the pressure curve is next to non existent. I've shot a number of my old .22s using them. What say you, good or bad?
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    Jim Hauff New Member

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    Rjay,
    I take pleasure in shooting the AQUILA Colibris or Super Colibris - just to test fire some of the old clunkers - same concept as your shorts (the cartridges that is) and just a bit more ooomph - so the projectile clears the porch railing. I'm with ya, brother.
  7. grover26

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    Thanks again for your input. Even if I did the 'conversion'...cylinder and barrel... I was still only going to fire CB's or similar, and just a handful. I was just hoping to achieve a little more in the way of safety.
  8. RJay

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    :) grover26, If your revolver is tight and in good repair I don't believe CB type .22's will harm it. The CB Shorts have no powder and the others have only 1 grain. The strain on your gun would be negligible. JMHO
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