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Looking for info on an Ansley Fox sxs

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Howdy all. I have an Ansley Fox side by side 12g shotty, and I'm looking for any info on it I can get, Grade wise and such.
The serial number is 20950
And just under the breech is the wording, Ansley H. Fox
top of the barrel says, Krupp Fluid steel by A.H. Fox Gun Co. Phila. PA
It has a double trigger.and some nice engraving that looks to be a smidge worn. It's been sitting in a gun cabinet for about 30 or so years.
The stock is refinished with truoil. The bluing is in great shape considering how long it's been sitting. I'm not looking to sell it anytime soon.
Pix of it coming in a minute...
thanks in advance for any info...

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That's a good book. I have it already. It deals with his life more than the gun itself though. Thanks for the welcome!
 
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Ripjack,

You have a late style 12 gauge A grade A. H. Fox. Can't tell from your pictures but if it has auto ejectors, it would be an AE grade. Serial number 20950 would have it made in Philly around 1912 - 1913 or so. Could have been shipped later but in that neighborhood.

Judging from your pictures, it looks to be in pretty decent condition. The refinished stock reduces the value some. It looks like it was nicely done with no severe sanding which would make for rounded edges and poor wood to metal fit.

Is the butt plate missing?

Aside from the refinished wood, original factory finish is important to collectors of older collector guns including Fox's. Original barrel length and stock likewise. What is the barrel length, how are the bores: pitted or dented. Any cracks in the wood. Does it lock up tight? Safety works OK? Do the hammers fall OK with a nice snap when the triggers are pulled on an empty gun?
Hope this helps.

Jolly
 
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Is the butt plate missing?
What is the barrel length, how are the bores: pitted or dented.
Any cracks in the wood.
Does it lock up tight?
Safety works OK?
Do the hammers fall OK with a nice snap when the triggers are pulled on an empty gun?
Jolly
Yes, the butt plate is broken. I'll make a new one out of ebony. The 2 that I have ordered did not line up at all. It's the screw holes in the stock, they are not centered, so none of the plates fit. properly.
I hadn't measured the barrel yet, but will get a measurement later.
Bores are clean, no pitting/dents.
The guy who owns it dropped it on the butt and broke it into pieces, and there was a few chips out of the end of the stock on the left side. He had saved them in a plastic baggie, but there was one about 1/2 x 1/2 inch triangle that was missing. So there"s a black spot where I filled it with sawdust and glue, and glued the others in.
It locks up nice and tight.
Safety works good.
Yes, the hammers fall OK with a nice snap when the triggers are pulled on an empty gun.

Everything other than the buttstock and stock finish are in great shape. I'm not worried about the price dropping after refinishing it. The stock really deserved it.
Thanks for the great info on it for me, I appreciate it so much.
I'll get the length of the barrel later on and post up for ya.

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I think it's auto ejector. It's one piece and pops out when it's opened.

I was thinking of filling in the old holes and redrilling em. Good idea. That'll save me some work making it out of ebony. Although I would have fun making it. I like a good challenge....

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Rip,

Your gun is an extractor gun. An ejector gun will have split, two piece extractors, one for each barrel. 28 inch barrels are probably choked Modified in the right barrel and Full choke in the left. If that's so, a US dime will go in the right Mod barrel but not in the Full choke left barrel.

Nice looking gun.

Jolly
 
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Rip,

It looks like its choked Full in the left barrel and Mod in the right barrel.

And unfortunately, it looks like the right barrel and bottom rib are loose at the muzzle. Hopefully it doesn't extend too far down towards the breech. Can be fixed by the right gunsmith who works on the old doubles.

Jolly
 
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And unfortunately, it looks like the right barrel and bottom rib are loose at the muzzle. Hopefully it doesn't extend too far down towards the breech. Can be fixed by the right gunsmith who works on the old doubles.

Jolly
Wow....I didn't even notice that coming apart. Good catch. Thanks!
 
#20 ·
Hi...
i have another question.
ok, so i'm in the middle of disassembling it, and this page,
http://www.foxcollectors.com/ah_fox/content/disassembly.html
shows this picture, with a screw on the end of a driver...
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where does that screw come out of? I'm looking at mine, and it looks just like the picture above with out the screw.
 
#22 ·
Rip,
That is a lock screw that holds the sear pin in place. That pin extends to the outside of both sides of the frame.
There is a similar lock screw for the hammer pin just forward of where the sear pin lock screw is located.
Was that small screw loose inside the receiver? The gun will work OK without that screw but the pin not being locked in place can move left and right in the frame. Probably won't come out on its own because that pin is under spring pressure. That's the leaf/flat spring held in place by that screw with the large head.
Hopefully, that answers your question. If not, try again.
Jolly
 
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Thanks for the answer Jolly. I didn't see it anywhere. It must have been missing before I opened it up.
I even shook it around a few times hoping it would fall out of somewhere inside, but no luck.
Is that something I can find at my local ace hardware? Or should I find one from the fox co?
 
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