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Old Black Powder Gun ID Please

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#1 ·
Anybody have ideas on this gun, like how old, origin, and how original? Thanks!
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I think it is a 30 caliber. Thanks.
 
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The pictures are still up-loading on my pitiful old machine - but from what I'm seeing I agree Belgium or possibly Austrian. It is a military musket. Peculiar that someone hand-engraved "US" on the lockplate. Looks like it has been repaired in someone's barn/shop with all of the mismatched screw heads. Obviously the numerals etched on the rear/left side of the barrel are a recent addition, and the metal and wood are heavily refinished.

Someone into European martial arms will be along soon to tell you I'm full of baloney.:DThanks for posting an unusual and interesting rifle! I'm curious to know exactly what it is, too.
 
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Well, it's been hacked up pretty good. I have no idea what it is and to me the stock doesn't look right nor the back action lock on a martial arm. You can see the hammer does not remotely line up with the nipple nor do I see a bayonet lug. The rear sight appears as if it should be of German/Austrian origin, to me. To qualify the above I definitely am not very well versed in European martial arms.
 
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If it measures .260 then it's 26 caliber, no military in the world used a 26 caliber musket in battle. Ammo used in it would be a patched #3 buck shot.

I think Roundball is close to the truth about who and when, they didn't have stick welders in the 1860's and it's breech plug is made from a bolt arc welded to a piece of flat stock filed into a tang.
 
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No musket maker in the world that I am aware of ever used a two piece stock for a military arm. The more I look at it the more convinced I am the trigger guard and lock came from a sporting rifle. As with Griz I agree with roundball. To reiterate, martial arms are NOT my strong point but, that's what I see.
 
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#15 ·
The trigger guard and buttplate are from an Italian Vetterli Military rifle. This gun is an assortment of parts. I would bet the barrel has a liner of some sort. The barrel was at one time a part of a real gun. Parts and pieces is what it is now.
 
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