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Was wondering if any Mauser experts could help me out a bit...

I just picked up a 1916 Spanish Mauser and the stock has "15" painted on it in red with a large circle underneath as well. I imagine it's some sort of arsenal marking, but would like to know what it denotes.

Thanks in advance for any help guys!

Steve
 

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More and better pictures will help us help you.

Sometimes painted numbers on butstock are rack numbers.

Has you rifle been converted to 7.62x51 CETME?
 

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Any number or symbol painted on a military stock is usually a rack number. Makes it easier for a Company Armorer to issue a rifle quickly. My '16 in Nam had a blue triangle and "199" in white paint on the buttstock. The blue triangle was the Battalion's "Company C" and the "199" happened to be the number of the rifle. Saw it when I got there - and saw it again when I left (I carried a .38 revolver most of the time).
 

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A couple more photos...

Sorry about the lighting, also haven't had a chance yet to clean it up so I can't get nice photos of all the numbers.

It is not CETME.

Does this rack number add any value? Just wondering.
 

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More and better pictures will help us help you.

Sometimes painted numbers on butstock are rack numbers.

Has you rifle been converted to 7.62x51 CETME?
What he said. These guns were converted M91/92 Mausers, done for the Spanish Civil Guard. The caliber, just like what soundguy said is 7.62x51 CETME. It's physically identical to the 7.62x51 NATO and the .308 Winchester, but don't shoot either of these in that gun. The difference in these rounds is pressure. The CETME round is loaded to much lower pressures, in deference to the relatively weak M91 Mauser action.
 

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It's physically identical to the 7.62x51 NATO and the .308 Winchester, but don't shoot either of these in that gun. The difference in these rounds is pressure. The CETME round is loaded to much lower pressures, in deference to the relatively weak M91 Mauser action.
In the "Pictures speak louder than words" department, hop on Google Image and enter "Spanish Mauser converted to .308". Top row of snapshots pretty much says it all.
 

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What he said. These guns were converted M91/92 Mausers, done for the Spanish Civil Guard. The caliber, just like what soundguy said is 7.62x51 CETME. It's physically identical to the 7.62x51 NATO and the .308 Winchester, but don't shoot either of these in that gun. The difference in these rounds is pressure. The CETME round is loaded to much lower pressures, in deference to the relatively weak M91 Mauser action.
I was under the impression that Spain (or the rebels more likely) couldn't keep up with the conversions during the civil war which is why there are still some 7x57 (original vs. re-bored).

I'm not entirely sure, its been hard to find literature on these 1916's, for me at least.

In the "Pictures speak louder than words" department, hop on Google Image and enter "Spanish Mauser converted to .308". Top row of snapshots pretty much says it all.
Those are some pretty bad blowouts! Lol
 

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I was under the impression that Spain (or the rebels more likely) couldn't keep up with the conversions during the civil war which is why there are still some 7x57 (original vs. re-bored).

I'm not entirely sure, its been hard to find literature on these 1916's, for me at least.



Those are some pretty bad blowouts! Lol
They were re-barreled, not re-bored. The 7x57 case/chamber is too long to convert it to a .308 sized round, 57mm v/s 51mm in length (about .24" difference).
 

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You are lucky if it hasn't been converted, and is still 7X57mm Mauser! That is a great caliber for that rifle. Most of the time rifles referred to as 'M1916' refer to Model 93 Mausers that were converted to the CTME cartridge. I am just curious as to if you have a 7mm or a 7.62.

To me, you have an outstanding prospect for a re-finish. There was a guy who used to visit this site often (Snakedriver) who had a rifle much like yours. With some careful wood sanding and refinish, and some polishing of the bolt your rifle can be returned to a very nice shooting rifle. Of course everything depends on the condition of the bore.
 

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I may be wrong or remembering the wrong gun, but I used to have a 1916 Spanish that was converted. I thought that it had "7.62" stamped or engraved on the top of the receiver or barrel in about 1/2 inch letters.
 

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I may be wrong or remembering the wrong gun, but I used to have a 1916 Spanish that was converted. I thought that it had "7.62" stamped or engraved on the top of the receiver or barrel in about 1/2 inch letters.
George - I had one of the Israeli FN k98's that had the "7.62" and the 'Star of David' stamped as you described on the top of the receiver bridge. It also had "7.62" burnt into the bottom of the butt stock. I also had one of the '1916s' - and I cannot recall where (or if) it was stamped.

My son still has that '98. As I recall, I bought the 1916 from a sporting goods dealer, and traded it right back to them for the '98 after I had discovered how dangerous the 1916 was to use. The only problem I ever had with the '98 chambered for 7.62mm ammo was that the shorter rounds didn't always feed reliably from the longer 8X57mm length magazine.
 

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There used to be a kit for the 98s to solve the feeding problems with short cartridges.
There is not much to this kit as it comprises of a 1/4-3/8 ramped filler block that goes into the forward part of the mag/well. I have used something like this in my custom 98s with cartridges as short as the 22-250 with no feeding problems.
 

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I had a 1916 but it was so long ago I don't remember if it was marked 7.62 or not. If it was it wasn't oversize or anything remotely memorable. I do remember it had 1916 faintly stamped near the muzzle. I shot .308 Winchesters out of it because I didn't know any better at the time.
 

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A few more photos after some cleaning. The barrel still needs some work as well the stock, but it's almost there.
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