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ClydeBurrie
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Howdy All...
Before asking this question on my own forum thought I'd kick it around here a little...
Anyone have any experience with the .270 Winchester Short Magnum, if not any other short magnums?
THANKS
warpig883
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Clyde, I have been thinking about this round since they came up with it.
I really do not have a big bore that I would trust for elk at long range except for my Garand and I would rather have a more conventional hunting rifle for elk.
So I have been thinking about one of the short magnums. Looking at the ballistics of the .270wsm it is a considerable improvement over the old long action 270.
The .300wsm compared to the .300mag is almost the same except for the fact that I love a short action bolt gun and I don't like the long action bolt guns.
I think this family of cartridges is long overdue and am still planning to get one. Right now I can't decide between the .270 or the .300. I will probably go with the .270 because of the recoil and noise.
ClydeBurrie
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I really am impressed with the performance or ballistics that are being given for this round... Can't argue with a 6" drop at 300 yards... That said I'd still need to hit the range to confirm same
Have you seen the barrel lengths offered?
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I think I have that just a minute..........
I jav the new Borowning catolog (the one that does not even show a browning Hi-Power )
They are showing a 130 grain having 9.02 drop at 300 yards. with muzzle velocity at 3275fps muzzle energy is 3096ft lbs
They say 225 fps faster then a reg 270 and 401 ft lbs more muzzle energy.
It looks like the only barrel length Browning is offering with the .270wsm is a 23".
ClydeBurrie
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Lets see this is what I have... again looks like a range session is needed...
With a 200 yard zero using a 130gr bullet shoots 5.5" low at 300 yards... nothing given on the height at 100 yards though hnmnn and the distance where the bullet will not go above/below the sight of line is 319 yards...
Sounds good to me
hotload
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(8/5/02 5:24:23 pm)
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Hello Clyde,
I don't know alot about the 270, but I own a 300 WSM. I don't think you'll be unhappy with it, Mine is a mod 70 classic stainless. It is a great shooter, GOOD LUCK !!!
HondoJohn6508
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Just what are the great advantages of the new .270 WSM? I went to my RCBS Load Program and consulted the Speer Reloading Manual #13 and found the info noted below on other popular cartridges vs. the 270WSM. The bullet listed for the 270 WSM is not the factory bullet as it was not listed in the RCBS program so I used the Nosler 130 BST for both the 270WSM and the std 270 Winchester.
270WSM......................100yds..........200yds..........300yds
3275fps...................... +1.22"............0.................-5.49"
270Win
3100fps...................... +1.44"............0................-6.25"
25-06Rem 120grSpeer
3070fps...................... +1.50"............0................-6.50"
30-06-150grSpeer
2847fps...................... +1.88"............0................-7.89"
Just what are the advantages of the new .270WSM????
Cartridge functions thru a short-action receiver
Disadvantages--!
Factory Ammo $27.00 per box of 20 as compared to $16.00 for factory 270Win,$16.00 box factory 25-06,$16.00 box of 30-06factory
Other info:
Factory loaded to pressure CUP for 270WSM--not available
" " 270Win---52,000 CUP
" ----------------------25-06Rem-53,000 CUP
" " ----------------------30-06------50,000 CUP
I regret that I do not see any great advantage in the .270WSM---But I could be wrong.
Regards to all----Ol' John
PS--the difference in drop at 300 yds between the .270WSM and the 30-06 is 2.40", that is just slightly less than the length of an empty 30-06 case. All data was based on the following perameters:
72degrees,50% rel. Humidity,sea level,30.00" barometric pressure
Edited by: HondoJohn6508 at: 8/5/02 6:51:39 pm
warpig883
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The price thing really is bad news. But the fact that it is a short action round does it for me. Even if the ballistics were a wee bit worse or the same as the .270 I would take it over the .270 because it is short action.
ClydeBurrie
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I like the short action also + this would be one heckofa deer rifle and I'll take the flatter trajectory even when so minute...
I'll take th eprice and simply reload as I'm sure brass will be available soon enough if not already...
HondoJohn6508
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For you .270 WSM fans out there, you might want to p/u the latest issue of 'Rifle' magazine. Ross Seyfried has a good article on this cartridge and rifle. Better yet, buy a subscription to this mag and its sister publication"Handloader"
Ol' jOHN
hotload
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(8/6/02 8:33:20 pm)
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There is all kinds of loading componets and loading data readily available for the WSM'S. And I'll have to say that I agree with the others about picking the short action over the long action. I am a 308 fanatic. So this short action magnum struck me as a powerhouse of a 308, rather than a powerhouse of a 30-06. Also keep in mind, I've heard that the big reloaders are favoring the WSM'S over Remington's SAUM'S because the Winchesters have more powder capacities. I'm loading my 300 WSM with 72.5 grn's of reloader 22, with a sierra 165gr. HPBT gameking. GOOD SHOOTING!!!!!!!!
Gordon
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(8/30/02 4:11:08 am)
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Have any of you had stuck cases with factory ammo? What is the life of your brass when handloaded to maximum or near maximum loads?
Lots of folks are touting the WSMs right now, and you can't complain about the ballistics. My problem is cases stuck in the chamber. First five rounds fired were removed with a cleaning rod.
I'm sure Winchester has pushed the pressure hard on the factory ammo to meet balistics, but for me at least, at the expense of reliability.
The gun is on it's way back to the factory where I'm told it will be re-throated. How about freebored like Weatherby, so bullets are well into motion when they hit the rifling.
I would like to know if other WSM users have had the same problem. If you have had your rifle returned, is accuracy still MOA or better?
Thank you. Gordon USN/FMF RVN 67-68
hotload
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Hi Gordon, and welcome to the forum. I have not had any problems with stuck cases in my 300 WSM. When the rifle was new, I didnt like the way the bolt felt though. It was very tight when closing the bolt on a round. It was right when you were closing the bolt, not when pushing it forward.Almost like you were seating the bullets deeper when closing it. After about 20 rounds it started working like a champ so I guess it just needed breaking in.
GOOD LUCK AND GOOD SHOOTING!!!!!!
Gordon
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(9/16/02 2:00:21 am)
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With .270 WSM pressures listed at 63,000 CUP, is anyone getting a piucture of brass life yet?
As I posted earlier, factory ammo left brass stuck in the chamber. I have also been dissapointed in that I have not found an acceptable hand load to give anything near MOA with my rifle.
I have four .270 Wins one is a new Model 70 Stainless, other are built on commercial Mausers, and all shoot MOA or less off the bench. That gives much more confidence in the field than the present .270 WSM.
Now I wait for my rifle to be returned. I would sure like to hear from some more WSM users.
shakyshot
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(12/29/02 3:09:28 pm)
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hey guys -I just got a 270wsm & am looking for any help you guys can give towards reloading for this thing.I have it in a mod.70 stainless w/24'' barrel.I have a slight problem with the bolt closing tight also,maybe it will free up shortly.thanx
warpig883
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shakyshot, Welcome to TFF
Go to the reloading forum and ask the gunpowder heads
They will be happy to help you out
Don't blame yourself or anyone else for your mistakes or the downfalls of the USA. BLAME PRESIDENT BUSH.
outdoorsman260
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(12/30/02 1:06:49 am)
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Has anyone shot through a chrony to see if these WSM's live up to their factory ballistics?
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StewRacing
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How would the 270 WSM do on Elk and Black Bear? I'm new here, but have a lot of hunting experience in PA.
warpig883
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Welcome to TFF
I would think they would both be quite deadly on elk and black bear. Shot placement is everything though.
Ignorance is a crime in 49 states. In the other one it is bliss.
outdoorsman260
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Welcome to the boards, Stew.
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Mauser45
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Gordon, I don't know where you saw that 63,000 cup figure but I think that it should have said 63,000 PSI which I believe is equivalent to 52,000-53,000 CUP. I sure hope that that figure is wrong! When your rifle comes back, the first thing I would check is the bedding, to be sure that it is good. That is the first thing that I do to a new rifle to help it to do it's best! Good luck with the rifle1
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I have recently purchased a used WSM .300 (Win. Mod. 70). I have not experienced stuck cartridges, but know the sensation of the tightness when locking the bolt on a cartridge. It's good to know that this will go away after a break-in period (although used, I don't think it had been fired all that much).
Have you experienced any problems with the safety? With the chamber empty. I was testing the various positions of the safety. And when flipping it from safe (or half-safe) to the fire position, the pin released. I tried it again and again. With and without my finger on the trigger. It never happened with my finger off the trigger, but did when my finger was on the trigger. When I say "on the trigger" I don't mean squeezing, but just barely touching it.
Have you experienced any such sensitivety with your safety switch?
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Howdy All...
Before asking this question on my own forum thought I'd kick it around here a little...
Anyone have any experience with the .270 Winchester Short Magnum, if not any other short magnums?
THANKS
warpig883
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Clyde, I have been thinking about this round since they came up with it.
I really do not have a big bore that I would trust for elk at long range except for my Garand and I would rather have a more conventional hunting rifle for elk.
So I have been thinking about one of the short magnums. Looking at the ballistics of the .270wsm it is a considerable improvement over the old long action 270.
The .300wsm compared to the .300mag is almost the same except for the fact that I love a short action bolt gun and I don't like the long action bolt guns.
I think this family of cartridges is long overdue and am still planning to get one. Right now I can't decide between the .270 or the .300. I will probably go with the .270 because of the recoil and noise.
ClydeBurrie
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(8/3/02 11:24:59 am)
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I really am impressed with the performance or ballistics that are being given for this round... Can't argue with a 6" drop at 300 yards... That said I'd still need to hit the range to confirm same
Have you seen the barrel lengths offered?
warpig883
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I think I have that just a minute..........
I jav the new Borowning catolog (the one that does not even show a browning Hi-Power )
They are showing a 130 grain having 9.02 drop at 300 yards. with muzzle velocity at 3275fps muzzle energy is 3096ft lbs
They say 225 fps faster then a reg 270 and 401 ft lbs more muzzle energy.
It looks like the only barrel length Browning is offering with the .270wsm is a 23".
ClydeBurrie
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(8/3/02 12:14:01 pm)
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Lets see this is what I have... again looks like a range session is needed...
With a 200 yard zero using a 130gr bullet shoots 5.5" low at 300 yards... nothing given on the height at 100 yards though hnmnn and the distance where the bullet will not go above/below the sight of line is 319 yards...
Sounds good to me
hotload
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(8/5/02 5:24:23 pm)
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Hello Clyde,
I don't know alot about the 270, but I own a 300 WSM. I don't think you'll be unhappy with it, Mine is a mod 70 classic stainless. It is a great shooter, GOOD LUCK !!!
HondoJohn6508
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Just what are the great advantages of the new .270 WSM? I went to my RCBS Load Program and consulted the Speer Reloading Manual #13 and found the info noted below on other popular cartridges vs. the 270WSM. The bullet listed for the 270 WSM is not the factory bullet as it was not listed in the RCBS program so I used the Nosler 130 BST for both the 270WSM and the std 270 Winchester.
270WSM......................100yds..........200yds..........300yds
3275fps...................... +1.22"............0.................-5.49"
270Win
3100fps...................... +1.44"............0................-6.25"
25-06Rem 120grSpeer
3070fps...................... +1.50"............0................-6.50"
30-06-150grSpeer
2847fps...................... +1.88"............0................-7.89"
Just what are the advantages of the new .270WSM????
Cartridge functions thru a short-action receiver
Disadvantages--!
Factory Ammo $27.00 per box of 20 as compared to $16.00 for factory 270Win,$16.00 box factory 25-06,$16.00 box of 30-06factory
Other info:
Factory loaded to pressure CUP for 270WSM--not available
" " 270Win---52,000 CUP
" ----------------------25-06Rem-53,000 CUP
" " ----------------------30-06------50,000 CUP
I regret that I do not see any great advantage in the .270WSM---But I could be wrong.
Regards to all----Ol' John
PS--the difference in drop at 300 yds between the .270WSM and the 30-06 is 2.40", that is just slightly less than the length of an empty 30-06 case. All data was based on the following perameters:
72degrees,50% rel. Humidity,sea level,30.00" barometric pressure
Edited by: HondoJohn6508 at: 8/5/02 6:51:39 pm
warpig883
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The price thing really is bad news. But the fact that it is a short action round does it for me. Even if the ballistics were a wee bit worse or the same as the .270 I would take it over the .270 because it is short action.
ClydeBurrie
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I like the short action also + this would be one heckofa deer rifle and I'll take the flatter trajectory even when so minute...
I'll take th eprice and simply reload as I'm sure brass will be available soon enough if not already...
HondoJohn6508
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For you .270 WSM fans out there, you might want to p/u the latest issue of 'Rifle' magazine. Ross Seyfried has a good article on this cartridge and rifle. Better yet, buy a subscription to this mag and its sister publication"Handloader"
Ol' jOHN
hotload
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(8/6/02 8:33:20 pm)
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There is all kinds of loading componets and loading data readily available for the WSM'S. And I'll have to say that I agree with the others about picking the short action over the long action. I am a 308 fanatic. So this short action magnum struck me as a powerhouse of a 308, rather than a powerhouse of a 30-06. Also keep in mind, I've heard that the big reloaders are favoring the WSM'S over Remington's SAUM'S because the Winchesters have more powder capacities. I'm loading my 300 WSM with 72.5 grn's of reloader 22, with a sierra 165gr. HPBT gameking. GOOD SHOOTING!!!!!!!!
Gordon
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Have any of you had stuck cases with factory ammo? What is the life of your brass when handloaded to maximum or near maximum loads?
Lots of folks are touting the WSMs right now, and you can't complain about the ballistics. My problem is cases stuck in the chamber. First five rounds fired were removed with a cleaning rod.
I'm sure Winchester has pushed the pressure hard on the factory ammo to meet balistics, but for me at least, at the expense of reliability.
The gun is on it's way back to the factory where I'm told it will be re-throated. How about freebored like Weatherby, so bullets are well into motion when they hit the rifling.
I would like to know if other WSM users have had the same problem. If you have had your rifle returned, is accuracy still MOA or better?
Thank you. Gordon USN/FMF RVN 67-68
hotload
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Hi Gordon, and welcome to the forum. I have not had any problems with stuck cases in my 300 WSM. When the rifle was new, I didnt like the way the bolt felt though. It was very tight when closing the bolt on a round. It was right when you were closing the bolt, not when pushing it forward.Almost like you were seating the bullets deeper when closing it. After about 20 rounds it started working like a champ so I guess it just needed breaking in.
GOOD LUCK AND GOOD SHOOTING!!!!!!
Gordon
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With .270 WSM pressures listed at 63,000 CUP, is anyone getting a piucture of brass life yet?
As I posted earlier, factory ammo left brass stuck in the chamber. I have also been dissapointed in that I have not found an acceptable hand load to give anything near MOA with my rifle.
I have four .270 Wins one is a new Model 70 Stainless, other are built on commercial Mausers, and all shoot MOA or less off the bench. That gives much more confidence in the field than the present .270 WSM.
Now I wait for my rifle to be returned. I would sure like to hear from some more WSM users.
shakyshot
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(12/29/02 3:09:28 pm)
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hey guys -I just got a 270wsm & am looking for any help you guys can give towards reloading for this thing.I have it in a mod.70 stainless w/24'' barrel.I have a slight problem with the bolt closing tight also,maybe it will free up shortly.thanx
warpig883
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shakyshot, Welcome to TFF
Go to the reloading forum and ask the gunpowder heads
They will be happy to help you out
Don't blame yourself or anyone else for your mistakes or the downfalls of the USA. BLAME PRESIDENT BUSH.
outdoorsman260
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Has anyone shot through a chrony to see if these WSM's live up to their factory ballistics?
blake.prohosting.com/~redneck4
StewRacing
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How would the 270 WSM do on Elk and Black Bear? I'm new here, but have a lot of hunting experience in PA.
warpig883
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Welcome to TFF
I would think they would both be quite deadly on elk and black bear. Shot placement is everything though.
Ignorance is a crime in 49 states. In the other one it is bliss.
outdoorsman260
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Welcome to the boards, Stew.
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Mauser45
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Gordon, I don't know where you saw that 63,000 cup figure but I think that it should have said 63,000 PSI which I believe is equivalent to 52,000-53,000 CUP. I sure hope that that figure is wrong! When your rifle comes back, the first thing I would check is the bedding, to be sure that it is good. That is the first thing that I do to a new rifle to help it to do it's best! Good luck with the rifle1
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I have recently purchased a used WSM .300 (Win. Mod. 70). I have not experienced stuck cartridges, but know the sensation of the tightness when locking the bolt on a cartridge. It's good to know that this will go away after a break-in period (although used, I don't think it had been fired all that much).
Have you experienced any problems with the safety? With the chamber empty. I was testing the various positions of the safety. And when flipping it from safe (or half-safe) to the fire position, the pin released. I tried it again and again. With and without my finger on the trigger. It never happened with my finger off the trigger, but did when my finger was on the trigger. When I say "on the trigger" I don't mean squeezing, but just barely touching it.
Have you experienced any such sensitivety with your safety switch?