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ScREWtop
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(2/16/03 2:34:23 am)
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Hi Guys,
I am building a new rifle and I would like your expert opinion please.
Choate tacticle stock; Winchester action; 26" stainless/fluted/super-grade; 1-10 tiwst for 150/180 bullets; Reflex T8M suppressor; 300winmag or 300ultramag (undecided yet).
The only thing that's bothering me now is whether to go with 300WinMag or 300UltraMag. I reckon if the Reflex silencer can cut recoil down I would prefer 300UltraMag. Any suggestions?
Recoil found in Chuck Hawk's website:
300WinMag (180 at 2960) 8.5lbs = 25.9 feet (I think my gun will weight about 10lbs)
300UltraMag (180 at 3230) 8.5lbs = 32.8 feet
Oh, is 1-10 twist advisible?
I would be grateful if I could get some advice before Tuesday because that's when my gunsmith is back from holiday and i'll have to tell him 300UltraMag or 300WinMag and if its gonna be 1-10 twist.
Thanks again guys.
Dry Powder
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(2/16/03 4:59:16 am)
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I would go 300 win without the brake. 26 inch barrel will
tame the 300 win. Muzzel brakes provide a litany of negatives that make managable recoil seem a plus. For
example it is much more difficult to tune a load, makes the gun longer, restricts shooting positions, ie often no prone
shots many more that you know about. I have a 300 and
I had one with a brake previously, sold that puppy.
LIKTOSHOOT
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(2/16/03 5:05:18 am)
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Is this rifle suppressed or breaked??? WIN.300 is the way to go, not real sure of the 1-10 twist, but will answer when you answer the above.
LTS
ScREWtop
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(2/16/03 5:48:32 am)
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Thanks for your replies.
The rifle is not braked. I am intending to put a Reflex suppressor when its ready--silencers are legal in NZ.
LIKTOSHOOT
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(2/16/03 11:26:49 am)
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Thats what I thought.......what is the "true" barrel length.
LTS
Dry Powder
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(2/16/03 12:55:11 pm)
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Sorry, I misunderstood and bored everyone with an antibraking speech. Silencers, great idea! I did not know they were legal anywhere. Terrific.
LIKTOSHOOT
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(2/16/03 9:36:36 pm)
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...not to worry....hate brakes too-believe they have been over sold and forced on many of us.
since you say it will have a 26" barrel, I will assume this will be a add on. You must consider this: a single contact suppressor will never be considered for MOA or sub MOA-they (no matter the maker) always suffer from wondering zero-ALWAYS! Now a two contact is a different story, as the rear of the can, makes contact at the rear and front---stabilizing the suppressor......these can also be removed and replaced (provided the same torque is applied) and retain no loss of zero. In larger caliber rifles......no one should "EVER" recommend a single contact suppressor---EVER! One slight touch of the wiper/baffles had lead to many blown cans-sometimes the rifle itself. Also remember to store the rifle barrel down and action open after firing and cleaning.
Regards LTS
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Posts: 4
(2/16/03 2:34:23 am)
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Hi Guys,
I am building a new rifle and I would like your expert opinion please.
Choate tacticle stock; Winchester action; 26" stainless/fluted/super-grade; 1-10 tiwst for 150/180 bullets; Reflex T8M suppressor; 300winmag or 300ultramag (undecided yet).
The only thing that's bothering me now is whether to go with 300WinMag or 300UltraMag. I reckon if the Reflex silencer can cut recoil down I would prefer 300UltraMag. Any suggestions?
Recoil found in Chuck Hawk's website:
300WinMag (180 at 2960) 8.5lbs = 25.9 feet (I think my gun will weight about 10lbs)
300UltraMag (180 at 3230) 8.5lbs = 32.8 feet
Oh, is 1-10 twist advisible?
I would be grateful if I could get some advice before Tuesday because that's when my gunsmith is back from holiday and i'll have to tell him 300UltraMag or 300WinMag and if its gonna be 1-10 twist.
Thanks again guys.
Dry Powder
Member
Posts: 14
(2/16/03 4:59:16 am)
Reply | Edit | Del Re: 300WinMag or 300UltraMag
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I would go 300 win without the brake. 26 inch barrel will
tame the 300 win. Muzzel brakes provide a litany of negatives that make managable recoil seem a plus. For
example it is much more difficult to tune a load, makes the gun longer, restricts shooting positions, ie often no prone
shots many more that you know about. I have a 300 and
I had one with a brake previously, sold that puppy.
LIKTOSHOOT
*TFF Senior Staff*
Posts: 6987
(2/16/03 5:05:18 am)
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Is this rifle suppressed or breaked??? WIN.300 is the way to go, not real sure of the 1-10 twist, but will answer when you answer the above.
LTS
ScREWtop
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Posts: 5
(2/16/03 5:48:32 am)
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Thanks for your replies.
The rifle is not braked. I am intending to put a Reflex suppressor when its ready--silencers are legal in NZ.
LIKTOSHOOT
*TFF Senior Staff*
Posts: 6988
(2/16/03 11:26:49 am)
Reply | Edit | Del Re: 300WinMag or 300UltraMag
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Thats what I thought.......what is the "true" barrel length.
LTS
Dry Powder
Member
Posts: 15
(2/16/03 12:55:11 pm)
Reply | Edit | Del Re: 300WinMag or 300UltraMag
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Sorry, I misunderstood and bored everyone with an antibraking speech. Silencers, great idea! I did not know they were legal anywhere. Terrific.
LIKTOSHOOT
*TFF Senior Staff*
Posts: 6994
(2/16/03 9:36:36 pm)
Reply | Edit | Del Re: 300WinMag or 300UltraMag
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...not to worry....hate brakes too-believe they have been over sold and forced on many of us.
since you say it will have a 26" barrel, I will assume this will be a add on. You must consider this: a single contact suppressor will never be considered for MOA or sub MOA-they (no matter the maker) always suffer from wondering zero-ALWAYS! Now a two contact is a different story, as the rear of the can, makes contact at the rear and front---stabilizing the suppressor......these can also be removed and replaced (provided the same torque is applied) and retain no loss of zero. In larger caliber rifles......no one should "EVER" recommend a single contact suppressor---EVER! One slight touch of the wiper/baffles had lead to many blown cans-sometimes the rifle itself. Also remember to store the rifle barrel down and action open after firing and cleaning.
Regards LTS
