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I'm thinking of buying a .357 SIG. However i would like to here opinion's about it first, any-body have one? Also i have done some reloading, and have never used a digital scale, i would also like to hear somthing about that also.
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Trat, welcome to the board. I can't help with the Sig question, but the digital powder scales are more accurate than the ballance beam. Especially for benchrest or bulls eye loads. Shooter
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Hiya' Trat, I am not familure with the 357Sig, but am with the Sig226 9mm (had to have it when they 1st came out) and the Sig229 40S&W (had to have it when they 1st came out)Wow, I see a pattern here myself. Anyways, They are a versatile weapon, seeing they had the interchangable barrels. I can't see you going wrong buying a Sig! IMHO
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.357Sig, realatively new cartridge so the cost is still a bit higher than your average defensive handgun cartridge ... however, the price is comming down.
There are not many manufacturers of quality handguns currently producing firearms chambered in .357Sig so your choices are going to be slightly limited ... depending on the quality that you have in mind. Did you have a particular manufacturer or model in mind?
The .357Sig is built on a necked down .40 case and is indeed one hot round. You will hear opinions that will no doubt vary, mine being one ... I will tell you that this caliber is not one that I would recommend for the beginner.
This cartridge has impressive ballistics, however, the recoil is sharp, inherently. Believe it. I have talked to those who down play the recoil ... I suppose to seem macho ... I am secure in my masculinity and I tell you it kicks ... it is not pleasant to shoot by any means.
Nothing in here that is meant to discourage, simply to inform. Further questions ... just ask. And welcome.
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Well written O P.
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Trat, if you already have a .40, it would be a good idea to just buy a .357 bbl for it to try out. I know a few different bbl's are made for Glock pistols and I believe there are a few for Sig as well. Matthew covered the subject really well. The only thing I could add is watch out for that muzzle blast. Wear hearing protection.
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Hmmmmmm, Well I sure don't consider myself "MACHO", but I do have to say this round is a pleasure to shoot. I own three Sig 229 in .357 Sig. Recoil on this round is very controllable at least in the Sig 229. I am able to do 4 " groups, off-hand, on all 10 rounds @ 25 yards. The 40 S&W is also a good round but I see no difference in recoil.
If I were you I would ask Nunn over on ********* for further advice on this round.
Boomer, the Woos
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See ...
Hey there Boomer, I am glad that you like your Sigs. I have only fired that roung from the Glock Model 32 that I no longer own ... perhaps the Sig is easier on the hands when it comes to that round.
Trat ... follow that link to some good info.
www.gunnery.net/sig/357sig.html
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Ok Matt, now you can look for a Sig 229 too..LOL
I have one and I don't think the recoil is that bad, but boy does it tear up metal. I took my S&W 745 and shot a old fridge at 15ft and it made nice clean holes..getting bigger as it went through. On the other hand when I fired the 357Sig it made a much smaller hole going in...but comming out..it ripped the metal in a long piece about 2"X10" out the far side. They both went completely through the fridge.
I find the Speer brand Lawman ammo for the sig for about $12/box 50rds...
Ron
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That is reasonable, yet still a little high. I remember paying $16 for a box 50 FMJ when I had mine.
I have a few other items on the list ahead of a Sig ...
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Have the 229Sport .357....very impressive results without much effort...ballistics great........also a great looking firearm..also have a Sig in 9MM and .40..but the .357 gives best results for me that is...do not see any problem with recoil
Edited by: FLOYDRAMBO at: 4/9/01 1:06:26 pm
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I kinda like my G33. Can't say the recoil isn't noticeable but it not too bad. I have heard that chamber preasure is greater in a 357 sig than a 40SW. Therefore, one might want to consider purchasing the 357sig and a 40SW replacement barrel rather that the other way around. I'v been buying Speer Lawman for 10.67+tax for some time now and just ordered some for 8.99 per.
Edited by: MPinkston at: 7/2/01 5:23:08 pm
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Hey, Pinkston - Welcome to the board! Hope you stick around and join us in all the forums.
Don't know squat about the .357 Sig, only what I read. Understand it is right up there with the .357 Mag in power and capabilities. Other than being a bottlenecked pistol round (I've got a .256 Win Mag) it should be a fine caliber.
Digital scales are great. Mine is the Lyman that first came out and is still doing a fine job. Haven't used the 5-0-5 balance beam since receiving the digital many years ago. It can get cranky sometimes about holding zero and, as with the beam type, air movement can cause a little fluctuation.
Edited by: Tac401 at: 6/25/01 10:04:25 pm
Alphamale
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Welcome to the board Pinkston.
Why do you feel it's better to go from .357 to .40? Or what pistols are you talking about doing that in. Cause I believe that all the Glock models in .40 and .357 are exactly the same except for barrels and whats etched on the slide. I know that the same sized models 22/31, 23/32, 27/33 use the same frame. The only difference is what's etched in the slide and the barrel.
So what would be the diff between changing barrels from 40 to 357 than 357 to 40?
Then again, I could be wrong.
"Children today are tyrants. They contradict their parents, gobble their food, and tyranize their teachers."--Socrates (470-399 B.C.)
Edited by: Alphamale at: 6/25/01 6:45:33 pm
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Welcome Aboard MPinkston!
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Indeed a welcome ...
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My only reason to start with a 357 sig and interchange a 40sw barrel is the chamber presure of the 40sw is about 35,000psi and in the 357sig it runs up to about 40,000psi. Now I'm not sure if the glock 40sw is rated at the higher chamber presure but not all 40 sw's are. So, unless you know which 40's can handle 40,000psi, it's just a safety thing.
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Welcome MP, don`t agree with your .357 vs .40 logic, but welcome.....I don`t agree with many though, so don`t take it personally. LTS
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Either or ... you can go with either chambering to start, they will both convert to the other with a simple barrel swap, safely. And welcome ...
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And if ya don't trust just the barrel swap, get a heavier recoil spring and prob solved.
"Children today are tyrants. They contradict their parents, gobble their food, and tyranize their teachers."--Socrates (470-399 B.C.)
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In the past century, a lot of bottleneck pistol cartridges have come and gone. Maybe this one will be different, but I doubt it. The .357 Sig is a fine cartridge, but for some reason the shooting public seems to prefer their pistol cartridge cases straight. Go figure.
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Got a point there, Irish -
Discounting the single shot specialty handguns, seems the straight case is prefered for shooting and reloading.
Keep below the ridgeline!
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I'm thinking of buying a .357 SIG. However i would like to here opinion's about it first, any-body have one? Also i have done some reloading, and have never used a digital scale, i would also like to hear somthing about that also.
Thank's
shooter45 us
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Trat, welcome to the board. I can't help with the Sig question, but the digital powder scales are more accurate than the ballance beam. Especially for benchrest or bulls eye loads. Shooter
Zigzag2
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Hiya' Trat, I am not familure with the 357Sig, but am with the Sig226 9mm (had to have it when they 1st came out) and the Sig229 40S&W (had to have it when they 1st came out)Wow, I see a pattern here myself. Anyways, They are a versatile weapon, seeing they had the interchangable barrels. I can't see you going wrong buying a Sig! IMHO
M Opaliski
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.357Sig, realatively new cartridge so the cost is still a bit higher than your average defensive handgun cartridge ... however, the price is comming down.
There are not many manufacturers of quality handguns currently producing firearms chambered in .357Sig so your choices are going to be slightly limited ... depending on the quality that you have in mind. Did you have a particular manufacturer or model in mind?
The .357Sig is built on a necked down .40 case and is indeed one hot round. You will hear opinions that will no doubt vary, mine being one ... I will tell you that this caliber is not one that I would recommend for the beginner.
This cartridge has impressive ballistics, however, the recoil is sharp, inherently. Believe it. I have talked to those who down play the recoil ... I suppose to seem macho ... I am secure in my masculinity and I tell you it kicks ... it is not pleasant to shoot by any means.
Nothing in here that is meant to discourage, simply to inform. Further questions ... just ask. And welcome.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Support your RKBA ... Matthew
NRA Life Member
Talk Radio Junkie
[email protected]
TheFirearmsEnthusiast
Zigzag2
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Well written O P.
Alphamale
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Trat, if you already have a .40, it would be a good idea to just buy a .357 bbl for it to try out. I know a few different bbl's are made for Glock pistols and I believe there are a few for Sig as well. Matthew covered the subject really well. The only thing I could add is watch out for that muzzle blast. Wear hearing protection.
If guns are outlawed, can we use swords?
Tennessee Boomerang
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Hmmmmmm, Well I sure don't consider myself "MACHO", but I do have to say this round is a pleasure to shoot. I own three Sig 229 in .357 Sig. Recoil on this round is very controllable at least in the Sig 229. I am able to do 4 " groups, off-hand, on all 10 rounds @ 25 yards. The 40 S&W is also a good round but I see no difference in recoil.
If I were you I would ask Nunn over on ********* for further advice on this round.
Boomer, the Woos
M Opaliski
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See ...
Hey there Boomer, I am glad that you like your Sigs. I have only fired that roung from the Glock Model 32 that I no longer own ... perhaps the Sig is easier on the hands when it comes to that round.
Trat ... follow that link to some good info.
www.gunnery.net/sig/357sig.html
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Rons Toys
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Ok Matt, now you can look for a Sig 229 too..LOL
I have one and I don't think the recoil is that bad, but boy does it tear up metal. I took my S&W 745 and shot a old fridge at 15ft and it made nice clean holes..getting bigger as it went through. On the other hand when I fired the 357Sig it made a much smaller hole going in...but comming out..it ripped the metal in a long piece about 2"X10" out the far side. They both went completely through the fridge.
I find the Speer brand Lawman ammo for the sig for about $12/box 50rds...
Ron
M Opaliski
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That is reasonable, yet still a little high. I remember paying $16 for a box 50 FMJ when I had mine.
I have a few other items on the list ahead of a Sig ...
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Support your RKBA ... Matthew
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Talk Radio Junkie
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FLOYDRAMBO
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Have the 229Sport .357....very impressive results without much effort...ballistics great........also a great looking firearm..also have a Sig in 9MM and .40..but the .357 gives best results for me that is...do not see any problem with recoil
Edited by: FLOYDRAMBO at: 4/9/01 1:06:26 pm
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I kinda like my G33. Can't say the recoil isn't noticeable but it not too bad. I have heard that chamber preasure is greater in a 357 sig than a 40SW. Therefore, one might want to consider purchasing the 357sig and a 40SW replacement barrel rather that the other way around. I'v been buying Speer Lawman for 10.67+tax for some time now and just ordered some for 8.99 per.
Edited by: MPinkston at: 7/2/01 5:23:08 pm
kdubaz
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Hey, Pinkston - Welcome to the board! Hope you stick around and join us in all the forums.
Don't know squat about the .357 Sig, only what I read. Understand it is right up there with the .357 Mag in power and capabilities. Other than being a bottlenecked pistol round (I've got a .256 Win Mag) it should be a fine caliber.
Digital scales are great. Mine is the Lyman that first came out and is still doing a fine job. Haven't used the 5-0-5 balance beam since receiving the digital many years ago. It can get cranky sometimes about holding zero and, as with the beam type, air movement can cause a little fluctuation.
Edited by: Tac401 at: 6/25/01 10:04:25 pm
Alphamale
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Welcome to the board Pinkston.
Why do you feel it's better to go from .357 to .40? Or what pistols are you talking about doing that in. Cause I believe that all the Glock models in .40 and .357 are exactly the same except for barrels and whats etched on the slide. I know that the same sized models 22/31, 23/32, 27/33 use the same frame. The only difference is what's etched in the slide and the barrel.
So what would be the diff between changing barrels from 40 to 357 than 357 to 40?
Then again, I could be wrong.
"Children today are tyrants. They contradict their parents, gobble their food, and tyranize their teachers."--Socrates (470-399 B.C.)
Edited by: Alphamale at: 6/25/01 6:45:33 pm
Tac401
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Indeed a welcome ...
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MPinkston
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My only reason to start with a 357 sig and interchange a 40sw barrel is the chamber presure of the 40sw is about 35,000psi and in the 357sig it runs up to about 40,000psi. Now I'm not sure if the glock 40sw is rated at the higher chamber presure but not all 40 sw's are. So, unless you know which 40's can handle 40,000psi, it's just a safety thing.
LIKTOSHOOT
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Welcome MP, don`t agree with your .357 vs .40 logic, but welcome.....I don`t agree with many though, so don`t take it personally. LTS
M Opaliski
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Either or ... you can go with either chambering to start, they will both convert to the other with a simple barrel swap, safely. And welcome ...
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Alphamale
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And if ya don't trust just the barrel swap, get a heavier recoil spring and prob solved.
"Children today are tyrants. They contradict their parents, gobble their food, and tyranize their teachers."--Socrates (470-399 B.C.)
irishpoet
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In the past century, a lot of bottleneck pistol cartridges have come and gone. Maybe this one will be different, but I doubt it. The .357 Sig is a fine cartridge, but for some reason the shooting public seems to prefer their pistol cartridge cases straight. Go figure.
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kdubaz
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Got a point there, Irish -
Discounting the single shot specialty handguns, seems the straight case is prefered for shooting and reloading.
Keep below the ridgeline!