460 Roland?

Discussion in 'The 1911 Forum' started by 45Smashemflat, Feb 18, 2004.

  1. 45Smashemflat

    45Smashemflat Active Member

    Oct 6, 2003
    Any of you have experience with a 1911 in 460 Roland? I read about one the first time in a book last night. Apparently Clark in La makes a barrell and comp for it. Takes thicker brass and pushes a 230 gr at something like 1200fps?
  2. Shooter45

    Shooter45 *Administrator* Staff Member Supporting Member

    Feb 9, 2001
    Here at TFF
    Check out Clark Custom Guns for the info on this one.


    LIKTOSHOOT Advanced Senior Member

    Apr 26, 2001
    Might look at this too.


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  4. suryevor

    suryevor Guest

    .45 super brass (starline)

    isn't a bit thicker at the web than is R-P .45 ACP brass. I sectioned and miked them. the 460 brass IS thicker, and gets 230 gr jhp's to 1350 fps, a serious increase above the super. You dont need a fully supported barrel for the Super loads, but you do for the 460 loads.