5 Overrated Guns...

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  1. greggs

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    I enjoyed that - possibly because he did not list anything I had.

    HIS Thompson was an M1, and that's not a REAL Thompson - it just kinda looks like one. Like a Ruger Blackhawk is not a Single Action Army, and those "3/4 size 1911s" in 22 are not 1911s. :p
     
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    Good video, I don't own any I'll be interested to hear from those that do.
     
  4. TCoggins

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    I own a couple Mosin Nagants. He's right, they're crude guns. They are not accurate with military surplus ammo, the bolt sticks sometimes, not necessarily due to cosmolene, but due to the varnish on the milsurp ammo melting because the action is hot from firing so many rounds. I have three spam cans of ammo that I spent about 20 cents per round on. I am also starting to reload for one of them, because I do have one that is "somewhat" accurate. I can hit the steel plate at 100 yards offhand with it. That's what I am going for.

    If I want to hunt with something, I'll take a scoped 243 into the woods and make sure to get a clean kill. If I want to make some noise, feel some recoil and have some fun, I'll take a Mosin to the range. That's my two cents worth.
     
  5. sharps4590

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    Seems to me when a person, any person, takes a firearm or, any other item from the context of it's time they are being a bit unfair to the item/device and a bit hypocritical. I would imagine when a Soviet soldier picked up a Mauser from the battlefield, especially one from early war production, he didn't have to be told his Moisin was crude by comparison.

    The author/producer of that piece admitted that from the time of the Thompson's introduction on through perhaps the 1930's, his date, it was more or less state of the art. Today he considers it....less than desireable. Not a lot different than trying to compare an Alfa Romeo 8C Grand Prix racer of the 30's to a Ferrari F-1 of today....except for the desirability part.

    That's just my take on the piece. I don't own any of the firearms he mentioned nor do I intend to. Most of them I don't particularly like, the Thompson being the sole exception. Besides, his is one man's opinion, same as mine....:D
     
  6. gdmoody

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    Garbage rod - I liked that description. I have a mosin-nagant and really don't enjoy shooting it, it hurts!! I don't own any of the rest of them but I did own one of the Tommy Guns (semi-automatic M1927-A1) not accurate at all but it was fun to shoot and always stirred interest when I took it to the range. I traded it for a 1911 and feel that I got the better end of the deal.
     
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    Sharps, I agree. Ragging on a 125 year old design, that was more of an expedient mass produced weapon for a time when fighting was different, is not a fair comparison.

    Early wars were not 'rate of fire' wars. Trench warfare, slow combat over months, called shots.

    Thinking a 125 year old designed rifle with a 5 round internal box should be capable of sustained fire is apples to oranges.

    Getting the chamber so hot ammo sticks on a 5 end bolt gun means someone is jambing strippers and pulling triggers. That's not what a ww1 trench would have seen... Nor was it seen in ww2.
     
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    Can't speak to the others but I, like many do have an MN91/30. Picked it up at a local chain store about 4 years ago. It was my first milsurp purchase and I wasn't expecting much. It's an old hex receiver from 1933 for what that's worth. I'm not one of those Mosin guys but I do feel the nudge to speak up. I could have been very lucky but the bolt is smooth and I'm holding fist sized groups at 100 yards. I have only shot my hand loads so maybe that has something to do with it but sure seems to be a bit better than what I'd call a "garbage rod". Now mine is the only one I've ever shot and all the other ones out there may be absolute garbage but that hasn't been my experience. For $150 I definitely got my money's worth +.

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    We have five Mosins in the rack - two Soviet 91/30s, two Finn 28/30s, and a Chinese Type 53 - the latter having been designed to keep orthopedists, chiropractors, and hearing specialists in business, Bore measurements of the 91/30s are notoriously hit or miss, but they'll hold minute of milk jug at 100yds. The 28/30s - one of them Sako barreled - on the other hand are tack drivers. Mosins are about as complex as sledge hammers, virtually unbreakable, and did what they'd been designed to do, so I don't think they deserve to be called "garbage rods".
     
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    At one time I owned 12 Mosin Nagants

    They kept putting them on sale at Big Five for $79 and I couldn't help myself

    Over the years I have traded most of them off most of them for a good deal more than I had in them

    I kept the nice pre WW2 ones with the hex receivers
    Those I won't trade
    They are part of my battle rifle collection

    The MN was crude but it served Vasili Zeitsev and helped him turn the tide in Stalingrad

    Some MN were also made in America for the Czar of Russia before the revolution

    Overrated ?
    I don't know that anyone claimed they can do more than what they were designed for

    I do think this video is overrated
     
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    A friend of mine recently bought a Mosin, and after a couple of range sessions with it , he realizes it isn't what he thought it was. He hasn't brought it to the range lately.
     
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    What did he think it was?
     
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    I never have asked him. I do know he does like the Mauser he bought. Next time we out i'll ask him where's the Mosin.
     
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    Was beginning to wonder whether Mosin 91/30s mate and multiply in the dim corners of our rifle cabinet. Guess I best explain. Was making some room in the cabinet for a rifle I'm expecting to arrive next week, was shuffling Mosins around, and it seemed we had one too many. Thought we had two Soviet, two Finns, and one Chinese. Turns out we have three of Ivan's battle rifles. Thoroughly stumped I went to the record book, and sure enough, three Soviet 91/30s. Hmmm. Pondered the incoming date and then it dawned on me. I'd walked into our LGS and spotted the Mosin in the fix-it corner, and upon asking (a) was it for sale, and (b) what was wrong with it, I was informed the firing pin was broken. Got a good price on the problem child, took it home, adjusted the firing pin's protrusion through the bolt face, and PRESTO, a working 91/30. :) The pin wasn't broken, just installed incorrectly.
     
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    I'll take the opportunity to advertise for the Swiss K31 and K11 here... Just sayin.:rolleyes:
     
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