91/30 Ex-Dragoon?

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    ThePitbullofLove
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    (8/2/02 6:30:59 pm)
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    Here's a pic and link to many pix of the 91/30 my brother picked up this past weekend. It's all matching, but missing it's cleaning rod.
    I know little about the looooong rifles of Uncle Joseph's minions, so any information, comments, etc. is appreciated.

    public.fotki.com/ThePitbullofLove/gats-things_that/m9130_ex-dragoon/





    Thanks gang!

    gwitness
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    (8/2/02 8:17:36 pm)
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    nice rifle, and its a Tula too!. I had a 1922 Izhvesk ex-dragoon, still sorry I let that one go.

    Bob In St Louis
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    (8/2/02 8:30:38 pm)
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    The box with a horizontal slash in it is an arsenal rebuild mark. I'll have to look at some reference material to see if I can come up with more info. I do believe the Dragoon had a solid barrel band secured by flat retaining springs as opposed to the earlier infrantry model. Based on the rearsenaling and conversion to 91/30 length, the stock may have changed too.
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    gwitness
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    the cryllic writing and star with 5 small circles around it are the mark of "Premier Tula Arsenals of the RSFSR",{USSR} This particular mark was used only in 1923-24. Ex-Dragoons are M91 Dragoon rifles that were brought up to M91/30 specs mostly by changing the sights. A good reference for the M-N rifles is Terence Lapins "the Mosin-Nagant Rifle".

    polishshooter
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    I have two 91/30s that are dated 1920, and 1929, and three that are 1931, 1941, 1943.

    All are definitely 91/30s, EXCEPT that the barrels on the 20 and 29 are about 1/2" longer than the other ones. Everything else is stock 91/30.

    They MAY not be "Ex-dragoons," although I like to think mine are too...according to Lapin and other sources they used many different 91 actions to make the first 91/30s, no reason to believe they wouldn't have actually used a 1920 Infantry rifle, and not a more scarce Dragoon or Cossack, at least in my case.

    I like to call those two, plus my 1931, "Transitions," the barrel length probably wasn't standardized until adopted in 1930, these I have are probably just early ones, and not necessarily "Ex-Dragoons." I'm thinking it's just like there are 1943 Model 1944s, for example. Plus, although the Soviets did do some strange things, I can't help but think even they wouldn't waste their time converting Dragoons or Cossacks, since they were already so close to the final 91/30 config. Most of the conversions would have used the millions of real 91s laying around, you would think, right?
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