9mm 147gr cast Missouri Bullet Company bullet load data

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  1. FRED J. WAHL

    FRED J. WAHL Member

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    I just checked their website, and they have them in stock, price of the manual includes shipping. You have to scroll to their 4th page of books, to find the 9 MM manual.
    Cheers,
    Fred (Honcho)
     
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  2. fatbob1945

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    No worries. I live in the country but go in for a VA meeting every Thursday,so I was planning to go by Cabela's anyway and order one and see what they had in the way of bullets,but thanks a bunch anyway.
     

  3. Mr. Don

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    Great projectile. I am using Titegroup right now. Have experimental loads waiting to shoot of Bullseye, Blue Dot, and Unique.
     
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  4. fatbob1945

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    I have some titegroup. So far the best data recipe I have got from a powder company has been from Alliant itself and they gave me a recipe from Lyman of 2.8 start to 3.5 with an oal of 1.058. I also talked to Missouri Bullet Company,and they gave me the same recipe,but with an oal of 1.065. He said that was just what his pistol liked and that the oal for different pistols might need tweaked. I'm going to load the Lyman recipe to start off with,just a couple of rnds and see how they cycle. I also intend to call Hodgdon tomorrow and see what they say. I have got the 2.8g of bullseye starting load from several different sources. Thanks for the reply. It will probably be Friday B4 I start charging but I'll post my results. I'm using a Kahr CT-9.
     
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  5. FRED J. WAHL

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    Mr. Don, and FatBob, I'd be interested in seeing your successful 9 MM recipes, I'm in the process of trying some of the newer powders, (CFE-Pistol, BE-86, etc.), and have gotten some good and promising loads that are beating factory ammo at 25 yards, in accuracy. Most of the better loads seem to work well in all six of my 9 MM handguns. (Walther P-38, Ruger P-85, Canik TP-9, Hi Point C-9, Springfield XD-M, and Taurus 809). I'm sure, like me, you have found that the 9 MM is a PITA to find accurate loads for, ESPECIALLY with lead bullets. I'll post my good loads here, once I have all the data together. They may not be gangbusters in yours, or other's 9 MM handguns, but can be "tweaked", even tho no two guns are alike.
    Be advised, I don't run "hot" loads thru any of my guns, my take on that is all they do is wear out the guns and shooters, faster!
    Cheers,
    Fred (Honcho)
     
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  6. fatbob1945

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    I have used the CFE in several different pistols and like it enough so that I keep a couple of pounds around. Last load I used in 9mm fmj's I called hodgdon and they gave me me data.i was loading .356 Berry's copper coated and have gone up a step or two on the charge with good results. I have the data I used somewhere but will have to look for it. I had no problems with even the starting load and I'm shooting them out of a KAHR CT-9 which has pretty stiff springs. Hodgdon is really good about providing data for just about any powder or bullet. Let me know if you need the data,and I'll find it. One thing I have found about the CFE,is that a little goes a long ways,so it's a good deal for a pound. Only drawback I have noticed is it is a little dirty,like unique,but wipes right off with a little hoppe's #9. Doesn't meter perfectly,but usually within a half grain. I weigh all my charges anyway,so doesn't matter to me. Good stuff! Found one recipe..147g Berry's RNP .356..3.9 CFE..OAL 1.115-1.116
    Here's the one hodgdon gave me..
    147gr Berry's plated RN
    Start..3.7g CFE..Max..4.2 CFE
    The Lee manual gives an oal of 1.169

    .45 acp recipe I've used with CFE for RN 230g Berry's plated is..
    Start 5.4..max 6.2
    That's .452 bullets
    I usually measure a factory LRN bullet that works well and use that as my oal .
    I have one more .45 for 230g XTP, but would like for you to check with hodgdon on this because I just had it written on a slip of paper in my Lee manual..
    Start 6g..max 6.8 ..oal 1.20
    The Lee manual gives an oal of 1.23 but that is using Accur #7 which I have not used. Let me know how they work for you. Hodgon's number is 913-362-9455. I couldn't reach them today,but this is the first time I haven't been successful. Good luck
     
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  7. WillieB

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    I use Titegroup with my Missouri bullets as well. Been using Hornady's load info for the ammo that most closely matches.
     
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  8. FRED J. WAHL

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    FatBob and WillieB, I've had good results with Titegroup, too, and I use a lot of the copper plated bullets from Berry's, Ranier, and X-Treme, they cost a lot less than jacketed bullets and seem to work every bit as well. A plus with X-treme bullets, is they pay the shipping on your first order!
    WillieB, don't know if you saw the post on the "Loadbooks", they are a wealth of info on individual calibers--
    I'll post the good loads I've come up with, this evening, and like you, FatBob, I scale weigh every charge. It has paid off, too, as my handloads have been outperforming factory ammo, in accuracy! Not to mention the cost factor!
    Thanks for the recipes, FatBob, will give them a shot with the next batch I load up. I need to get to the range, and shoot some of my test loads up, I'm starting to trip over them in our bedroom! Man, to be 80 years old and still be this busy! Please God, don't let me croak for a while yet, got too much to do!
    I fired a shooting bud's Kahr, at our summer place in PA, and was really impressed with the great, smooth DA trigger pull, even with the arthritis in my hands. Kahr Arms, like me, used to be in N.Y. State, and got so fed up with the anti-gun B.S. and high taxes, they packed up and left N.Y., and opened a big new plant near our summer home, in PA-- As to the taxes in the Socialist Republic of N.Y., believe it or not, we pay around the same TAX for a whole YEAR in Florida, that we USED to pay for one MONTH, in N.Y.! Glad we're the hell out of N.Y.
    See yas tonight,
    Fred (Honcho)
     
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  9. fatbob1945

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    I'll check out extreme,sounds like a good deal on the no postage. I have some Ranier .40 lead and a coffee can(big,big,Big..) as Barney Fife would say,full of brass all cleaned and prepped,ready to go,but the family .40 is with my son over a thousand miles away,so haven't loaded any for awhile. I like the Raniers lead bullets, haven't had any problems with them. Got all my 9's ready to prime and powder,but will have to wait until tomorrow to start on them. Thursdays are the only day I have to do something other than stay at home in the country,and play with my toys. Been thinking about getting some molds and trying my hand at rolling my own. Bless you,and hope your day is great.
     
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  10. FRED J. WAHL

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    Hey, FatBoy!
    I hear you! Man, I haven't fired my .40 Hi Point in a "Coon's" age, and have boxes of .40 S&W reloads, ready to roll!
    If you want to give casting a whack, I can help you out, I learned how to cast around 75 years ago, when my Dad showed me how to cast lead soldiers from some old molds he had brought with him, from Germany! I will fully admit I've had mediocre results with cast bullets, with my 9 MMs, and you have to keep the MV speed down to around 1200 fps, but with my .45 ACP, .40 S&W, .45 (Long) Colt, and .455 Webley, they have been great! I mostly use Lee molds, they are only around $16.00, brand new, and are two cavity molds, made from aluminum mold blocks. I was skeptical when I bought my first one, years ago but I now have around 35 or 40 of them, between here and our summer place! The last batch of 9 MM bullets I cast here were so good, weight wise, that when I scale weighed them, I found that of 120 bullets cast, that the overall weight DIFFERENCE was LESS than the weight of one, spent small pistol primer!!! Surprised the hell out of me, not even the commercial casters weigh out that well!
    If you want to try some of these, say the word and I'll mail you 5 or 6 to test, to see if they would do well in your Kahr. These can't be used in the earlier Glocks, or in any gun that has "Polygonal" rifling, but I think the Kahrs use regular "lands and grooves" rifling. I also have a Lee "T.C." (Truncated Cone) mold in 9 MM, and have had some good results with them, I could send you 5 of each type, to test, if you want. They are all lubed with Alox, and size out to .357, which is AOK for 9 MM. (Don't worry about the postage).
    The good loads that I was telling you about are below:
    4.4 Gr. Bullseye
    100 Gr. Berry's Copper Pl. Hollow Base Round Nose
    CBC cases/Win, S.P. primers, MV+/-1050, OAL 1.085 (This load gave me a 3.5" group at 25 yds, from a rest, with my "Canik" TP-90, and in my Walther P-38
    4.2 Gr. True Blue (Ramshot powders)
    127 Gr. Lee Lead TLTC, (Tumble Lube, Truncated Cone .357)
    R-P cases/CCI S.P. primers, MV940, OAL1.100, This load gave me a 2.5" group at 50', in my old Ruger P-85 )
    5.6 Gr. Power Pistol
    124 Gr. Hornady FMJ,FP
    R-P cases/CCI S.P. primers, MV 1100, OAL 1.116 (This load gave me 5 Bulls on a 4' Bullseye target, at 50', also V.G. in Ruger P-85.
    6.1 Gr. BE-86, (Improved "Unique")
    115 Gr. Berrys C.P. Hollow Base, R.N.
    Win. cases, (NOT scale weighed)/Win./ S.P. Primers, MV1219, OAL1.125, gave a 3" Group at 50' in Ruger P-85
    This next load is a "Gangbusters" load that my Canik and Ruger LOVED! Out of 5 rounds of the same load, in the same target, with the two guns (5 rounds each), I scored 10 Bullseyes, with 7-(2")10X's, at 50'! (That was from a rest, of course--) Wish I knew how to post the target, so I could show you. I have a 4 in 1 scanner, but am a real dummy when it comes to computers!
    5.3 Gr. CFE-P
    115 Gr. X-treme C.P. H.P.
    Win./Win., MV 1059, OAL 1.125. I guess I got lucky with this recipe, but I've retried the same load, and got good results. Haven't had time trying this load in my new Taurus 809 or my new (Used) Springfield XD-M yet, but if it's good in them too, we have a winner load! Will keep you posted!
    Cheers,
    Fred (Honcho)
     
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  11. fatbob1945

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    I have used the Ranier cast bullets in the Glock .40 with no problems. Seems like I worked it up from the starting load using unique to about 3 great over min,and got good action and accuracy there. I'm going to have to dig around in my reloading box today,to find my primers and priming tool so I'll look for it. I know it's in there somewhere,and I wrote down the bullet weight and charge. All I can remember off the top of my head right now is they were semi wadcutters,and unigue powder. Still have maybe 100 bullets in a can somewhere in there. 18 degrees here in West Texas this morning. No snow...yet. Not supposed to get that cold here,but where I live near Amarillo it does every year.
     
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    I'm really not that fond of Glocks. Guess that is why my son keeps the family Glock with him up in the Northwestern USA. I do like .40 Cal however,in any make I have fired. I like a lively recoil. I have a highpoint also,but it is in .45. Folks can say all they want about highpoints,but for the money,you can't beat them. I've ran untold rnds through mine without a single malfunction and it's one of my favorites. Just a little bulky,hard to hide. Great gun,good trigger. I have to be real careful with it after shooting the Kahr with the long day pull. Haven't really gotten used to it yet,and plan to do some polishing on the trigger group when I have time. It's new,and pretty stiff still,but I ran around 400-500 rnds thru it weekend B4 last,and it's smoothing out. They are stiff..strong recoil spring. People complain about them malfunctioning when loading the first round,but if you heed the makers instructions,and lock the slide back,then release the slide lock instead of manually jacking it back,it chambers every time. So far,I like it,just need to get used to the trigger pull...long to me. It's fairly compact, good CCW pistol. Definitely not a long range shooter...it is what it is,and again,a lively little 9 and I personally like a fiesty recoil. Have thought about getting one of highpoints 9mm carbines to go with it so I get a 2 for one reload,but don't know much about the HP 9mm carbine,need to research them. A friend I shoot with has one of their .45's (carbines)and I'm not real fond of it. We have had to do a lot of work on it to cure it's tendency to stove pipe factory ammo,and it's hard to keep the scope zeroed. We'll eventually get it right,and it may well be just that one particular rifle. Dunno..
     
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  13. FRED J. WAHL

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    Hey, FatBob,
    Yeah, I'm a big fan of the Hi Points, own 9 of them, including a 9 MM Carbine! I did own 10, but I gave one of my C-9's to a Veteran Bud of mine who couldn't afford a handgun-- (He was badly shot up in 'Nam, and has had 21 major operations, poor guy. He also has inoperable brain tumors, from Agent Orange-- We Veterans tend to take care of our own.)
    I did some rummaging thru my stuff, and did find a new, extra copy of the 9 MM "Loadbook", so if you haven't ordered yours yet, I can send you this one.
    Like you, I'm not a Glock fan, have fired several of them, and don't like the trigger pull, grip angle, and the fact that the earlier ones didn't have a fully supported chamber. Not to mention that they flat tell you not to shoot lead bullets thru their "Poly" rifling. Whenever I'm sizing cases that I picked up at ranges, I can always tell the ones fired in a Glock, by the bulge in the bottom of the case, PITA to resize! There have been incidents where they have had "Kabooms" with Glocks, due to the unsupported chambers.
    As to my Hi Points, my .380 ACP, .40S&W, and my .45 ACPs will stand toe to toe with any of my other handguns, accuracy wise, and you can't beat their Customer Service/Warranty-- if you ever wear one of them out, they WILL send you a brand new one, even if you're not the original owner! Any parts that wear out, they send you FREE, and you get them in 3 days from the time you call them! Never saw a company that backs their products, as well!
    My two C-9 Hi Points are not as consistently accurate as my other H-Ps, but they are apparently made by a different outfit from the other calibers. The little Carbine tho, is a real treat, and I love shooting it, it's been very good, so far.
    As to your Kahr, I'm not a fan of DAO pistols, what with the arthritis in my hands, poor eyesight, and lack of steadiness-- I don't own a DAO pistol, and would never buy one, as I'm primarily a bullseye shooter, and it's one more thing you have to master, to "stage" the trigger-- but that Kahr I fired up in PA was very nice, and I was hitting pretty well with it.
    Got to run, as usual I have a LOT on my plate today, and am trying to make some time to go and shoot these reloads I'm tripping over!
    Be well, God Bless!
    Fred (Honcho)
     
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    Titegroup is an awesome powder for those shorter cases like .45ACP and 9mm.
    I've used Universal, CFE Pistol Powder and Titegroup with 9 mikemike and the Titegroup performs the best with the least clean up.
     
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    I ordered several load books from Midway today,amongst them,one for a 9 Luger. They had all I wanted in stock but a .380 and I back ordered that one. Got a new 50th edition Lyman at Cabela's yesterday on sale.