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I have the chance to pick up a Colt M4 Ops Carbine 22LR in almost new condition. the guy selling it says he has only put about 150 rounds through it. It comes with 1 30 rnd mag. I don't know about how well they last but it seems to me 150 rnds is almost NIB.

I don't know anything about these but it would be fun for hunting the wild tin can when they are in season. I also see it as a way to keep the skills up with out blowing through 5.56 ammo. Yes 22LR is expensive just now but still less than .223 / 5.56.

The guy wants $325 for it. He is in a bad place financially and needs the money. I want to help him out but I don't want to rip him off. I also don't want to be ripped off.

I know its impossible to appraise a fire arm sight unseen but in general is this a fair price and a fair deal or is someone taking a hosing.
 

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I'd suggest carefully thinking this over. I have a Colt .22 M4 Carbine, and I do like it. There are some things that you might want to consider:

The feel, balance and wieght are almost identical to an M4. Mine likes CCI 40 grain Tactical and Mini Mag ammo, but not so much other 'bulk' .22 ammo.

The magazines are very easy to get and to load, compared with other .22 mags that I have for my AR conversion units. The 30 round mags for the Colt are longer than a standard 30 round .223 mag. The 20 round mags are the same size as a standard .223 30 rounder. The 10 round mag is the same size as a .223 20 round mag.

What you may not like about the Colt is the sleeved barrel. The outer barrel houseing is the same contour as an M4, but they use a pencil-thin steel barrel within the barrel sleeve. Also, the 'bolt release' is fake and non-functioning. The last thing is the bolt carrier rides in the upper housing in a complete unit, and does not take down like a standard AR rifle. Cleaning it is not easy.

That being said, I do like my Colt .22 M4. It is very accurate and fun to shoot. I have 2 AR rifles with .22 conversion kits (CMMG). If I had it to do over, I might not have bought the Colt and just gotten the Bushmaster .223 M4 and opted for a conversion unit instead.

Price-wise, that's about right. New ones run about $100 more than he is asking, but these rifles are not very popular, generally. He may just want to get rid of it, and I don't think you'd be ripping him off if you offered $300 for it. Hope this helps! Jim
 

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I have a question, well actually, it is a bit of a rant. I am sorry, I will apologize up front. This rant is not directed at anyone in this post, nor is it intended to belittle or make fun of the OP. I guess I just snapped here, because this is the fourth time today someone has told me/shown me a gun for sale...and of course it had less than 200 rounds thru it...

Why is it EVERY gun I see adertised for sale always has less than 200 rounds through it??

I mean, C'mon, really?? When I buy a gun I put more than 200 rounds, closer to 500 rounds, through it the first time I take it out to see if I am even going to keep the thing, let alone if it is used or new in box.

What, is 200 rounds the gun version of the little old lady from Pasadena who only drove her Corvette back and forth to church on Sundays???
 

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I for one have a few safes full of guns, and I only have the opportunity to shoot about once or twice a month. When I go to the range I take five or six weapons with me, and each one gets fired maybe 30 to 50 rounds, even less if I am doing precision long distance shooting which may only burn up 20 rounds per weapon. Hence, when I decide to sell one of my weapons it will often have 200 or less rounds through it. Now I concede that there are many gun owners who have limted funds and only own a couple of weapons, maybe even only one. These are the folks who put a lot of rounds through their weapons, and hardly ever put them up for sale. The point is, there is good reason for a lot of low round count weapons offered for sale.
 

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Thanks Jim

I have a CMMG Bravo kit for my ARs but I don't like to use it and I am thinking of getting rid of it. .22LR is a dirty round. I worry about what the carbon is doing to the DI system and ARs are not the easiest gun to clean. Getting past the locking lug and cleaning the carbon out of there requires standing on your head almost.

I like to plink and I have a dedicated plinking pistol. Sig Mosquito. Nice little hand gun but VERY picky about what it eats so I understand about using only high quality ammo. Good luck finding Mini Mags just now. The Sig operates fine on Remington Golden Bullets but only for about 100 rounds. Then it wants to be cleaned. Its weird. It runs fine and then all at once. Stove pipes and hang fires are the rule of the day. Clean it and it runs fine again.

As for the Colt OPS... I've decided to pass. Maybe in a few months Santa will bring me a S&W 15 - 22.

Thanks for the reply.
 

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Bee yeah I noticed that too. Also have you ever talked to anyone about shooting that admitted to being a bad shot? Everyone I have ever talked to could circumcise a gnat in a wind storm at 1000 yards.

I think it should be on the list of the most told lies.

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Bee yeah I noticed that too. Also have you ever talked to anyone about shooting that admitted to being a bad shot? Everyone I have ever talked to could circumcise a gnat in a wind storm at 1000 yards.

I think it should be on the list of the most told lies.

The check is in the mail.
I will pay you on Tuesday
I will still respect you in the morning.
I am a certified marksman.
:D Yep, I hear you! I used to be a bad shot. But, after many years of practice,and thousands of rounds fired...I have graduated to being able to hit the broad side of a barn at 50 feet. ;)
 

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Thanks Jim

I have a CMMG Bravo kit for my ARs but I don't like to use it and I am thinking of getting rid of it. .22LR is a dirty round. I worry about what the carbon is doing to the DI system and ARs are not the easiest gun to clean. Getting past the locking lug and cleaning the carbon out of there requires standing on your head almost.

I like to plink and I have a dedicated plinking pistol. Sig Mosquito. Nice little hand gun but VERY picky about what it eats so I understand about using only high quality ammo. Good luck finding Mini Mags just now. The Sig operates fine on Remington Golden Bullets but only for about 100 rounds. Then it wants to be cleaned. Its weird. It runs fine and then all at once. Stove pipes and hang fires are the rule of the day. Clean it and it runs fine again.

As for the Colt OPS... I've decided to pass. Maybe in a few months Santa will bring me a S&W 15 - 22.

Thanks for the reply.

I think you made the right choice, the M&P 15-22 is much closer to the AR-15. I bought one and everyone love to shoot it! I am just glad I waited for it.
P.S. You will go through a lot of 22lr. I use the bulk type and have no issues.
 
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