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First off...i hope this is ok to post here? It does not look like we have an "optics forum" and i did not notice a great number of red dot questions in the rifle/shotgun forum....

Ok... i have a Siaga 308 rifle. It kicks a bit harder than a regular AK does. I want to put a red dot scope on it. I have a quad rail fore grip for the rifle and that is where the red dot will be mounted.

I know that EoTech and Aimpoint are good products and that is probably what i should be buying...but money is tight. I have seen quite a few good reviews on the Vortex Strikefire red dot scope. I looked at one at Bass Pro last weekend. Not the best product i have ever seen. Alot of red scatter around the edges of the view sight. And for some reason the dot was blurry. If i put my glasses on it was a sharp dot. I didn't notice if there as a focus adjustment on the scope or not? The other sights i looked at were not blurry without my glasses on. Weird.
Also, turning the scope on and off were a bit tweeky... hold and release to turn on...and sometimes it did not work and i had to retry. Not exactly the best for a crisis situation! But...at $170 thats a lot less than an Aimpoint PRO...or an Aimpoint M3 or M4.

I wonder if the Vortex Strikefire would hold up to the recoil of a .308 win ??

I know i should buy the Aimpoint.... problem is that the affordable Aimpoint PRO at $400 is out of stock everywhere. The M3 is available but at allmost $600 its a bit of a budget pincher to say the least.

Are there any other options? Opinions please....

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Good to hear from you mike. You should put that realdoll away from time to time and check in.

Youd be well served by any quality red dot you can put in top of that saiga. Bushnell has a ACOG copy that runs about 200 out the door at most places. I used to have one on a RRA 6.8 and it was a good quality sight.

Glad to hear all is going well for you. I miss your presence here at TFF.
 

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Good to hear from you mike. You should put that realdoll away from time to time and check in.

Youd be well served by any quality red dot you can put in top of that saiga. Bushnell has a ACOG copy that runs about 200 out the door at most places. I used to have one on a RRA 6.8 and it was a good quality sight.

Glad to hear all is going well for you. I miss your presence here at TFF.
Yeah....but an acog does not have unlimited eye relief. It has to be up close over the dust cover to work right. Also i looked at a real Trijicon Acog while i was at Bass Pro and i hated it. I had to get my eye really close to it and it was very tweeky about keeping aligned with it or i could not see thru it. I hate sights that are like that...

Burris had a $300+ scope that i really liked. Very clear optics but again...it was a scope that had to be close to the eye to work properly. I need to mount this on the quad rail forgrip...quite a distance from my eye. I am wondering if a pistol scope might be a viable option? One with a lit reticle....

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I said it was a copy thereof. The shape is the only thin ACOG about it. It functions the same as a normal red dot or holo sight. There is no eye relief. You simply clamp it on and go shootn.

A pistol scope or a scout scope would be a viable option. But id tend toward something with little or no magnification. the quad handguard is not the most sturdy place to put a scope.
 

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I said it was a copy thereof. The shape is the only thin ACOG about it. It functions the same as a normal red dot or holo sight. There is no eye relief. You simply clamp it on and go shootn.

A pistol scope or a scout scope would be a viable option. But id tend toward something with little or no magnification. the quad handguard is not the most sturdy place to put a scope.
Oh...Ok. I understand.

You're probably right, the quad rail is probably not the best but at least it is in line with the barrel. I bought a side rail scope mount but i think it was meant for a Siaga 12 because it comes up and over the bore axis and it about 1/4 to the right of the bore axis. I assume a Siaga 12 is a little wider gun than the Siaga 308? I could fix this but it would not be pretty or very cheap. Ak scope mounts are a little hard to find these days. Everything is hard to find these days....

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You are right about that. The AK side rail mounts are a bit offset. Its not an ideal circumstance but does little to affect the accuracy of the weapon. Just mount it and sight it in at 100 yds.
 

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You are right about that. The AK side rail mounts are a bit offset. Its not an ideal circumstance but does little to affect the accuracy of the weapon. Just mount it and sight it in at 100 yds.
Yeah... but it bothers me just knowing that is off by that much. I could do one of two things. I could take the rail mount off and shim it out a little bit and put the mount back on... or i could build some kind of adjustable topper to clamp on the scope mount rail that would be adjustable to move the scope over and clamp tight with set screws.

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Or just not think about it and shoot the dadgum thing..

I had forgotten you were a little OCD about your guns Mike.. ;)

See you really should check in more often.
 

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Or just not think about it and shoot the dadgum thing..

I had forgotten you were a little OCD about your guns Mike.. ;)

See you really should check in more often.
I'm OCD about everything.... even the links someone inserted into my posts about the vortex scope and the trijicon scope and even the set screws.... just out of curiosity....why didn't you do that for Mai's website?? :D:D;)

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Oh...Ok. I understand.

You're probably right, the quad rail is probably not the best but at least it is in line with the barrel. I bought a side rail scope mount but i think it was meant for a Siaga 12 because it comes up and over the bore axis and it about 1/4 to the right of the bore axis. I assume a Siaga 12 is a little wider gun than the Siaga 308? I could fix this but it would not be pretty or very cheap. Ak scope mounts are a little hard to find these days. Everything is hard to find these days....

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Good to hear from you again! I also have the Saiga .308, went with the side mount and stuck a good, but inexpensive, scope on it. My gun will shot a 3" group, sometimes! These guns are not that accurate, they will place hits on a 12" target at 100 yards with out a problem, and mine runs like an AK! I tried an Aim Point on one of my deer rifles, got it sighted in on the lowest setting, 1 -11. 1 was good, but in bright light conditions I could not see the #1 dot. I had to go to the #4 dot. At 100 yards the #4 dot will cover the entire body of a deer, leaving you to wonder where in that big circle your bullet will hit! I removed the Aim Point, and am thinking about mounting it on my shorty shotgun barrel.
 

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Good to hear from you again! I also have the Saiga .308, went with the side mount and stuck a good, but inexpensive, scope on it. My gun will shot a 3" group, sometimes! These guns are not that accurate, they will place hits on a 12" target at 100 yards with out a problem, and mine runs like an AK! I tried an Aim Point on one of my deer rifles, got it sighted in on the lowest setting, 1 -11. 1 was good, but in bright light conditions I could not see the #1 dot. I had to go to the #4 dot. At 100 yards the #4 dot will cover the entire body of a deer, leaving you to wonder where in that big circle your bullet will hit! I removed the Aim Point, and am thinking about mounting it on my shorty shotgun barrel.
Sounds like it was a 4moa dot? They make 3x magnifiers for the Aimpoints...and for the EoTech as well. I looked at the EoTech flip up/down manifier while i was at bass pro. The thing made the reticle on the EoTech sight look better and sharper than it did without the magnifier. Weird?

I guess EoTech makes a halo sight with a simple dot for a reticle. I am considering that as well. I may just have to plop in on the side scope mount and be done with it?

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I just can't afford the Halo sights, so something cheaper is the way for me to go.
 

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I unfortunately have been bitten by the uber expensive scope bug.. Just bought a Nikon Monarch X for my .308 and got a Nightforce NSX 3.5-15X50 F1 in my budget for a build.. That's a 2800 dollar piece of glass.
 

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I can almost put a new AC in my home for that amount of money!
 
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