A Vietnam story...

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    (11/21/01 2:02:27 am)
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    [This was sent to me from an old friend who still has my email]

    This is for all the kids born in the 70's that do not remember this, and didn't have to bear the burden, that our fathers, mothers, and older brothers and sisters had to bear.

    Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the "100 Women of the Century." Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country, but specific men who served and sacrificed during Vietnam.

    The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot.

    The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat. In 1978, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison-the "Hanoi Hilton." Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJs, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American "Peace Activist" the "lenient and humane treatment" he'd received. He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and dragged away.

    During the subsequent beating, he fell forward upon the camp Commandant's feet, which sent that officer berserk. In '78, the AF Col. still suffered from double vision (which permanently ended his flying days) from the Vietnamese Col.'s frenzied application of a wooden baton.

    From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4Es).

    He spent 6-years in the "Hilton"- the first three of which he was "missing in action". His wife lived on faith that he was still alive. His group, too, got the cleaned/fed/clothed routine in preparation for a "peace delegation" visit. They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that they still survived.

    Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his SSN on it, in the palm of his hand. When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?" Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper.

    She took them all without missing a beat. At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge and handed him the little pile of papers. Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Col. Carrigan was almost number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know about her actions that day.

    I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam, and was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held for over 5 years. I spent 27 months in solitary confinement, one year in a cage in Cambodia, and one year in a "black box" in Hanoi. My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South Vietnam, whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border.

    At one time, I was weighing approximately 90 lb.. (My normal weight is 170 lb..) We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals."

    When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would be willing to meet with Jane Fonda. I said yes, for I would like to tell her about the real treatment we POWs received different from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by Jane Fonda, as "humane and lenient." Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees with outstretched arms with a large amount of steel placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane till my arms dipped.

    I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda for a couple of hours after I was released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She did not answer me.

    This does not exemplify someone who should be honored as part of "100 Years of Great Women." Lest we forget..." 100 years of great women" should never include a traitor whose hands are covered with the blood of so many patriots. There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in blatant treason, is one of them.

    Please take the time to forward to as many people as you possibly can. It will eventually end up on her computer and she needs to know that we will never forget.

    the real fredneck
    (11/21/01 9:57:18 am)
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    Hanoi Jane's patriotism has been suspect for decades but I think this story was proven to be another "urban legend"

    280freak
    (11/21/01 2:17:16 pm)
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    Yup, unfortunately it would appear that this one, along with the Hillary Clinton - Black Panther - Paul Harvey one, just keeps making the rounds on the Net.

    Doesn't change the fact that she should have been tried and convicted of treason, but it also doesn't do us any good to keep repeating this particular story if it isn't true.

    ruffitt
    (11/22/01 11:27:58 am)
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    Agree with 280 freak and partially agree with therealfredneck -

    The post, as entered, is a hoax. or at least 90% of it is. However, the fact remains that Hanoi Jane DID make the trip to North Vietnam, and even had her picture taken with a group of North Vietnamese Army troops with an anti-aircraft gun as a back drop.

    Fredneck - I agree with you that the story has become "urban legend", however I am at odds as to her patriotism - it has not been "suspect for decades"; her patriotism to the United States of America has been known, phoptographed and shown, verified, and proven for decades. That communist sympathysing BI*CH should have been tried and convicted of treason, and for her sentencing, sent off to live with the people she supported during the war. That is the only life style this scum of the earth bi*ch deserves.

    I have few real "passions" in my life; however pure hatred and total animosity for this low life traitor bi*ch is one of the few that never is more than a thought away at all times. If I ever had the chance to meet her in person I'd probably wind up in jail because I wouldn't hesitate to "bi*ch slap" her and tell her "Thanks for your support in Vietnam".

    I gotta quit now, this post is not good for my health - just writing it has stirred up emotions that I've long surpressed and it has got me breathing harder than I want to/need to at this time. I'll just leave with one parting statement -

    I HATE HANOI JANE FONDA WITH EVERY FIBER OF MY BODY!!!


    warpig883
    (11/22/01 11:37:10 am)
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    I am with you 100% Ruffit. I am really surprised she has not been lynched.


    the real fredneck
    (11/22/01 4:36:06 pm)
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    ruffitt
    was only trying to be polite with the "suspect" phrase, perhaps the new law allowing tribunals for terrorists/war criminals could be applied retroactively for her, leave her remains in a unmarked cave in Afghanistan on top of bin Laden's

    ruffitt
    (11/23/01 2:42:10 am)
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    Appreciate your effort at trying to be polite in your post, but for Ms Hanoi Jane, there is no such thing as polite, especially to a traitor bi*ch like her.




    shooter45 us
    (11/23/01 7:46:42 am)
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    Ruffitt, tell us how you really feel about her .

    Zigzag2
    (11/23/01 8:41:57 am)
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    Hey Shooter45, you think he's holding back he real feelings?
     
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