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Afghan Jezail: Real or Fake and estimated value.

Discussion in 'The Ask the Pros & What's It Worth? Forum' started by BrianEnfieldMartini, Jul 18, 2017.

  1. BrianEnfieldMartini

    BrianEnfieldMartini New Member

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    I have purchased a couple of Henry-Martini's from a vendor here at Bagram AB and they check out to be legit British rifles. I will make a separate post for them. I am interested in buying a Jezail but the guy is asking quite a bit of money for the "real" ones. This one has a rather large bore diameter, as it should (I didn't measure it, but it is larger than .50 cal for sure.) The bore is also rifled. Before I go back to debating the price with him, I would like to get any information or opinions you might have about this particular rifle. Thank you for your time. IMG_0697.JPG IMG_0698.JPG IMG_0699.JPG IMG_0700.JPG IMG_0701.JPG IMG_0702.JPG IMG_0703.JPG
     
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  3. BrianEnfieldMartini

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    I already read that site and the gun still checks out. I'm looking for first hand experience, I've already exhausted the google. Thank you though, any other advice would be appreciated.
     
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    I would not touch it due to the barrel bands not being contured. Also the wood seems to be a little too good considering the poor wood to metal fit. It may be real or it may be fake . Not knowing which , I wouldn't pay any more than if it were a tourist piece.
     
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  5. BrianEnfieldMartini

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    Good call on the wood. No dents or scratches, even if the barrel is real, I don't think the stock is, now that you mention it.
     
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    I don't think the barrel is original either. It dose have some of the right style But the work is so sloppy compaired to those I have seen that are real that I personally would pass on it. You will notice all the little dings and pitting on the barrel yet the brass appears to be perfict . And even appears to have sharp edges. The two just don't go together.
     
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  7. Grizzley1

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    It's not an antique, but it might be real in that it might be able to be shot without it blowing up.

    A real antique will have a forge welded barrel and a really nice real one will have a pattern welded Damascus barrel.
     
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    I was stationed in Camp Eggers in 2006 and you could pick up a good Snider Enfield or Martini Enfield for $150-$300. I picked up a nice 2 band Enfield MK II for around $150 that I have fired.

    In 2010, I was stationed in Bagram and most of the good stuff had been picked over. There were some shops near the PX and a bazaar near the and most of what they had was fake. You need to pay close attention to the stampings and the wear. It is highly unlikely a flintlock made in the 1800's, in Afghanistan would have a lock that clean.

    I bought some Pattern 1853 Enfields from the a guy at the Bazaar near the south gate off Disney and the stuff turned out to be put parted together. They looked good, but when I got home and took them apart they had Snider stocks, welded barrels, etc. I even had them take off the lock and remove the barrel so I could see the stampings underneath. I would be very wary of the Martini Enfield's you bought. It was my understanding most of this stuff was thrown together at Chicken Street in Kabul.

    I think all you are going to find over there is wall hangers that can never be fired. You have to think, we have been in Afghanistan for 17 years, there have been a lot of soldiers that have brought back an 'antique' rifle. Save your money and buy some nice gemstones. You can get some really nice deals if you know what you are looking for.
     
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  9. BrianEnfieldMartini

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    Do you know if the store in the pictures above is the same store you went to? I am linking you to the forums concerning my enfields if you would like to take a look.
    https://www.thefirearmsforum.com/threads/enfield-martini-carbine.174309/

    https://www.thefirearmsforum.com/threads/enfield-martini-mark-i.174308/
     
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    I must agree with the above comments. It's not a real antique.

    It is nice to see the locals are producing better quality fakes. Maybe someday they will produce high quality reproductions, signed by the artists, which people can shoot and appreciate like we do the contemporary Kentucky rifles. But, alas it seems I'm dreaming..... never mind.
     
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    Which stores are you at? There were some trailers around the main PX and most of what they had was reproduction. I bought some flintlock pistols there, but after I broke them apart, I realized they were reproductions and got my money back.

    There was another bazaar that I forgot about on the SF compound, kind of near Tuna Bridge off Disney. It was like a complex under one roof.

    There was also a big bazaar near the south gate and I mentioned that was a bunch of trailers. I dealt with the guy who sold guns there.
     
  12. BrianEnfieldMartini

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    This is an outdoor, strip mall type thing, it isn't near the PX, i havent been to that bazaar. there are currently two here.
     
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    What's it near? Probably so much has changed since I was there...
     
  14. BrianEnfieldMartini

    BrianEnfieldMartini New Member

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    Its near the HazMat depot.
     
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    Sounds familiar, but I can remember where that is at. I heard they took the BBQ tent down.