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Wanna see a really gruesome flag???
This was given to me by a friend of my father's. He was with the 5th Marines on Iwo Jima. He gave it to me before he passed away last year. And a Jap Helmet with a bullet hole , center back.. dent in side the front.... ouch! View attachment 251253 View attachment 251254 View attachment 251255
John, what are the dark spots all around that flag? Almost looks like it has patched bullet holes in those spots also. Was it the mud, the blood and the beer stains?
 

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John, what are the dark spots all around that flag? Almost looks like it has patched bullet holes in those spots also. Was it the mud, the blood and the beer stain.
As ugly as it may seem I was also curious. I took the flag to a friend that is an Assistant County Coroner. The flag material is silk and the stains are stiff and coagulated. Luminol ( Phenol) tested positive for human blood and serum. I did not care to have it typed or pay for DNA analysis. Creepy huh???
Those pictures do not do it justice I guess. I can take higher resolution pictures???
 

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John, what are the dark spots all around that flag? Almost looks like it has patched bullet holes in those spots also. Was it the mud, the blood and the beer stains?
As ugly as it may seem I was also curious. I took the flag to a friend that is an Assistant County Coroner. The flag material is silk and the stains are stiff and coagulated. Luminol ( Phenol) tested positive for human blood and serum. I did not care to have it typed or pay for DNA analysis. Creepy huh???
Those pictures do not do it justice I guess. I can take higher resolution pictures???
Well, Grizzly,
I will make this my last post and comment. Totally my decision. Be Well and Stay SAFE..... John
 

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High resolution pictures would certainly be interesting. Having you here has been very interesting and i think all here appreciate and enjoy your posts. I certainly hope a few rules don't turn you off or run you off. I hope you will post again and thanks for sharing all you have already.

I was hoping to learn more about that Browning .30 on wheels. It certainly looks different than the old .30 Browning I sat behind many nights while on guard in one of our interior bunkers. It just sat there on the sandbag opening and I always wondered how it would behave if I ever had to cut loose with it. Probably not much different than the M60 I fired off of the river bunker.
 

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High resolution pictures would certainly be interesting. Having you here has been very interesting and i think all here appreciate and enjoy your posts. I certainly hope a few rules don't turn you off or run you off. I hope you will post again and thanks for sharing all you have already.

I was hoping to learn more about that Browning .30 on wheels. It certainly looks different than the old .30 Browning I sat behind many nights while on guard in one of our interior bunkers. It just sat there on the sandbag opening and I always wondered how it would behave if I ever had to cut loose with it. Probably not much different than the M60 I fired off of the river bunker.
I will be around from time to time lurking in the weeds. I just will be very selective as to who I respond to and what. No problem with rules as long as they pertain to everyone and not used as a weapon.
The M60 was and is a great tool ( as long as the powers that be leave it alone) In 1970-71 the 1919 was everywhere just not as portable. The M60 was developed from the German MG-42. Now that is a real go getter at 1700 RPM, 7.92mm (*mm Mauser) is absolutely devastating! Known as Hitler's Buzz Saw. I would love to have one but talk about restricted! Even with Class 3 Permits and Taxes if you can find one will run upwards of $80,000.00.
My old Saginaw 1919 is plenty of fun. ONLY the one end of the transit case has wheels not the entire gun. It started out it's life as a .30-06 After the war it was converted to .7.62 by the US Navy and then on a lend to Israel. Came back to the US and rebuilt at Anniston Arsenal and surveyed as 'Surplus" after the Korean thing. Arsenal refit to semi-auto operation by altering the right side plate to make it "safe" and transferrable to "civilian sales" it went to Rock Island Arsenal in 1954 for storage. It turned up again in 1957 and was purchased by a relative (my grandfather) and then sat in the back of his barber shop, in cosmoline.. and was given to me in 1971. It stayed in it's transit case on the family farm in an attic until 1976 when I brought it home...now here it is... The End.
Other than that I do not know what else there is to tell.
 

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"Shane don't go. Come back Shane.........................Shane."

I also (as I stated previously) hope you stick around John. You seem to be a welcome and interesting addition to the mix. My 2 cents.
 
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Cannon and rifle are both spectacular! I never knew the 577 NE was built on a Jones underlever action. Learn something new every day. It's a good action and strong. As I understand it the only reason it fell from favor is the top lever, Purdey double underbite was so much faster to operate. My 500 BPE was on a Jones underlever and I have other firearms so made. My 11.15 X 60R is on a Lefaucheux action which the Jones underlever was an improvement of.

The cannon. Holy Cow!! That thing is magnificent!! I'd love to have a cannon, a real one. I know where a Mountain Howitzer is but the gentleman will not part with it. Wouldn't bother me to set it off on my place, I have the room and, I expect I would have the same visits you received....and the LEO's around here would want to shoot it.

When I was re-enacting at the Boone Home near Defiance, Mo., at some events a War of 1812 artillery unit would show up with 2, real, I think 6 pounders but maybe they were 12 pounders. They were BIG, like 8 ft. long maybe? A lot bigger than I remember 6 pounders being. It's been around 15 years ago and I've forgotten. They were complete with the caisson's AND the team of Belgians to pull them with all the guys in their 1812 uniforms. I don't know the powder charge they shot, probably not that big for the size of the bore. They fired them off at the top of the hour and the sound of the shot reverberated up and down that little creek valley for miles I expect. The first time I heard one go off I was unaware such a unit was there. I didn't hit the dirt but I did duck and ask what the heck that was. I was impressed.

I either have or have had most of the cartridges you mention and I enjoy(ed) them immensely. As soon as I finish this I'm off to shoot my Shiloh Sharps in 40-70. My biggest right now....and probably will remain so, is a 450/400 on A Ruger #1....unless I find a SXS in 9.3 X 74R that I'm willing to pay for.
Thanks for the reply!
Sorry that we got off on a mis-step. I am a bit of a curmudgeon and get defensive way to easily. Dealing with liberal academics on museum boards can do that... lol
It does look like we have a lot to share and my door is always open.
I dearly LOVE the ..45-70! I have probably ten or so rifles all chambered in .45-70. Every one is pre 1890 made. Trapdoor Springfield models compromise the majority, both carbines and various rifle models. If you are interested I can share my favorite carbine some time?
The vat majority of my pieces are US but a couple foreign pieces slipped in. (Martini-Henry Enfield's in .577-450 for fun). I have a number of original Sharps Rifles from Model 1853 slant breech to .50-70 carbines. Remington Rolling Blocks from Model 1 heavy to .22 boy's rifles. Hepburn Model and Hepburn stocked target guns.
I think we can play?
All the best,
 

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No problem with rules as long as they pertain to everyone and not used as a weapon.
The rules do apply to every one equally and are not weaponized against anyone. You are most welcome to stay and play and anytime you feel like showing of one of your favorite rifles feel free to do so, we all like gun porn, even if it is old gun porn it's all good. In your line of work you could be a valuable asset with your knowledge of antique firearms. :) Oh, before you find out the hard way, posting memes is also verboten.
 

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I will be around from time to time lurking in the weeds. I just will be very selective as to who I respond to and what. No problem with rules as long as they pertain to everyone and not used as a weapon.
The M60 was and is a great tool ( as long as the powers that be leave it alone) In 1970-71 the 1919 was everywhere just not as portable. The M60 was developed from the German MG-42. Now that is a real go getter at 1700 RPM, 7.92mm (*mm Mauser) is absolutely devastating! Known as Hitler's Buzz Saw. I would love to have one but talk about restricted! Even with Class 3 Permits and Taxes if you can find one will run upwards of $80,000.00.
My old Saginaw 1919 is plenty of fun. ONLY the one end of the transit case has wheels not the entire gun. It started out it's life as a .30-06 After the war it was converted to .7.62 by the US Navy and then on a lend to Israel. Came back to the US and rebuilt at Anniston Arsenal and surveyed as 'Surplus" after the Korean thing. Arsenal refit to semi-auto operation by altering the right side plate to make it "safe" and transferrable to "civilian sales" it went to Rock Island Arsenal in 1954 for storage. It turned up again in 1957 and was purchased by a relative (my grandfather) and then sat in the back of his barber shop, in cosmoline.. and was given to me in 1971. It stayed in it's transit case on the family farm in an attic until 1976 when I brought it home...now here it is... The End.
Other than that I do not know what else there is to tell.
The MG42/MG3 and M60 bolt are of two completely different designs. The MG42/MG3 uses a non rotating delayed roller with two cylindrical type bearing bolts at the bolt head similar to the H&K delayed roller system, were as M60 uses a rotating bolt with two 180° apposing bolt lugs. The M60 bolt body does have a single roller bearing that is only for guiding the bolt as it cycles fore and aft in the receiver.

The German design MG42 in its original form and function carried over to the current MG3 was a far superior machine-gun compared to the original M60, although the current M60-G is far superior to original design to which it still has the now unjustified moniker “The Pig”.

Comparing the German MG42 to American 1917/1919, the American machine-gun is a simpler design but far more robust if a cartridge is fired out of battery. Usually the only tool necessary to repair an out of battery discharge is a hammer to straighten the extractor and receiver top cover. The MG42 would have go back to an armor for repair.

The 1919A4/AN2 was the light weight version developed for aircraft usage. It had a cyclic rate of 1,200 -1,500 rpm. (Rounds Per Minuet)

I’ve test fired a German Bundeswehr MG3 while in the U.S.Army stationed in Germany. At 1,200 rpm, it’s rather exhilarating to shoot, and with basically free to me ammo to shoot, of which it will expend rather quickly, fun to shoot.

Two good friends of mine had and have a semi auto 1919. I fired one with a pistol grip which if the grip is held by the right hand and slapping the trigger bar with the left hand, you can get a respectable rate of fire. Of course anyone watching will comment on another activity one can do with a rapidly moving hand. The one friend also had a AN2 which I did not fire, but as he told me that shooting it at the Knob Creek Machinegun Shoot held twice a year in Kentucky, its rate of fire sounds about the same as a MG42.
 

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sure, sure, sure, but have you ever tried to outrun a M60 churning the dirt up at your heels while you run through a mine field??

I still shake my head in wonder at that night when they came into the EM club and told me I had to pull guard even though I wasn't even on the stand-by roster. I still wonder if it wasn't His divine intervention to put someone who had already had way too much to drink behind that gun that night. Sober, that poor soul would have been turned into hamburger and I'd have to see that in my dreams over and over.
 

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"We'd like to keep you around for a while :) Also don't ever talk about air rifles or BB/pellet guns. I got in trouble for discussing the Lewis and Clark gun" I'm curious what is the meaning of this?
 

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For years I had been lusting for a "Big Bore" Double Rifle. Finally one came into view and drooling, I decided I wasn't getting any younger so I plunked down a few hard earned several thousand dollars and I was In Heaven! I wasnow the owner of a cased side by side hammer gun made by Mayweather in Birmingham England. The engraving was all but photographic with detailed scrollwork. Incredible figured stocks with silver scroll inlays. Amazing but a huge gun in .577 Nitro Express! A box of Kynock (5 rounds) was a mere $300.00 Okay I won't be plinking with it.
I could not wait to get it out to the range to caress the triggers and have the "Big Game" experience! I knew it was going to give me a bump. I noticed that my baby only has a steel butt plate (no recoil pad) which worried me a bit. So I put my rifle together in front of an expanding group of curious onlookers. Broke the action open and took out one of the 5 inch long cartridges (only loaded the right barrel) and stepped up to the firing line. Then cocked the right hammer, smooth as silk and crisp as fresh lettuce,. Placed the stock to my shoulder, pulled it in TIGHT. leaned into it and squeezed the trigger!
My life flashed before my eyes! The RECOIL was a religious experience!! The muzzle blast was deafening to say the very least! Knocked the muffs and shooting glasses off my head! I did NOT knock me down but it did cause me to take several steps backwards. With my left hand I gingerly laid my rifle on the bench. Tears were streaming down my cheeks and I couldn't feel anything in my right arm my fingers were NUMB! WHAT had I done to myself? There was considerable laughter from the "peanut gallery" but not from this peanut! That really ** hurt! When I got home. my wife took me to the hospital for x-rays. Nothing was broken. The bruise was horrific from my right nipple to my elbow. Feeling returned to my fingers in a couple days.
I still have the "Beast" and show it proudly! A friend talked me into letting him prove his bravado and shoot it. I charged him $70 bucks for the shot AND made him signa disclaimer that I was NOT responsible for injury. IDIOT did not [pull the gun in tight and tried to resist the recoil! It DID sit him down and he was crying in pain I laughed my ass off! He has since had tendon restructure surgery.
If you get the chance to shoot one.... a word of caution!
I'm curious what were you wearing when you shot your rifle?
 

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"We'd like to keep you around for a while :) Also don't ever talk about air rifles or BB/pellet guns. I got in trouble for discussing the Lewis and Clark gun" I'm curious what is the meaning of this?
We are a firearms forum not an air gun forum. It's okay to mention one in passing but not to discus them in particular.
 

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My best friend bought a double rifle and a box of shells when we were visiting London. We finally got it to the range and each fired one round. The recoil was prodigious and did leave an impressive bruise but no permanent damage. It also had a steel butt plate. Gives you a whole new appreciation for elephant hunters. It did bend my glasses frames and scratched my nose. Couldn’t even imagine being on the receiving end of one of those 500 grain slugs.
 
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