And here comes the gun "control" arguments

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  1. bcj1755

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    Shootings, murder-suicide raise broader question: Is violence linked to recession?
    The Christian Science Monitor

    By Patrik Jonsson Patrik Jonsson – Mon Mar 30, 5:00 am ET

    Atlanta – Four Oakland, Calif., police officers shot down. An Alabama man strolling a small town with a rifle, looking for victims. Seven elderly people shot dead at a North Carolina nursing home. And on Sunday, six people, including four kids, died in an apparent murder-suicide in an upscale neighborhood in Santa Clara, Calif.

    The details in all these cases are still emerging. In most, the exact motive has yet to be determined – or may never be fully understood.

    On a broader level, however, such incidents may be happening more often because an increasing number of Americans feel desperate pressure from job losses and other economic hardship, criminologists say.

    "Most of these mass killings are precipitated by some catastrophic loss, and when the economy goes south, there are simply more of these losses," says Jack Levin, a noted criminologist at Northeastern University in Boston.

    Direct correlation between economic cycles and homicides is difficult to prove, cautions Shawn Bushway, a criminologist at the University at Albany in New York. But an economic downturn of this breadth and depth hasn't been seen since data began to be collected after World War II, he also points out. "This is not the average situation," Mr. Bushway says.

    Still, criminologists do say that certain kinds of violent crimes have risen during specific economic downturns. The recession in the early 1990s "saw a dramatic increase in workplace violence committed by vengeful ex-workers who decided to come back and get even with their boss and their co-workers through the barrel of an AK-47," Mr. Levin says.

    And in the midst of this downturn, one study released Monday in Florida finds a link between domestic violence and economic tragedies like job loss and foreclosures. The Sunshine State saw an almost 40 percent jump in demand for domestic-violence centers, an increase related to the state of the economy, the study says. George Sheldon, secretary of Florida's Department of Children and Families, calls the situation "the worst I've seen in years," according to the Associated Press.

    The potential link between murder-suicides and the economy is an area of study for the Violence Policy Center in Washington. "We've been looking at this issue of whether there are more murder-suicides … [and] a pattern is starting to develop that may point in that direction," says Kristen Rand, legislative director at the center. "Between the Texas Tower shootings in the 1960s until the McDonald's massacre in 1984, it was extremely rare to see these types of mass shootings. Now we're seeing them much more often, and they do seem to happen in spurts."

    To be sure, the gun-control debate is heating up, especially after the recent Alabama shootings where a man killed 11 people, including himself, using semiautomatic, military-style weapons. Gun-control advocates point to gun proliferation as a major cause for the loss of life, especially when families turn on themselves. That appears to be the case in the Santa Clara shootings.

    "Studies have shown over and over again that a gun in the home is more likely to be used against a family member than an intruder," says Juliet Leftwich, senior counsel for Legal Community Against Violence in San Francisco.

    But the root cause of the violence goes deeper than gun ownership, some argue. "Social isolation is a huge factor" in a country as large and transient as America, which places big emphasis on personal results, Levin says. "If you look at where many of these mass killings have occurred lately, they're in states that have lots of strangers, transients, and drifters, who don't have support systems to get them through tough times," he says.

    In the incident in Oakland, which occurred March 21, a parolee shot two officers during a traffic stop, then shot two others during an ensuing manhunt. The parolee also died. It was the biggest single-day, gun-related loss of life for law enforcement in the US since 1993.

    The shootings at the nursing home occurred Sunday. Chris McKenzie, police chief in Carthage, N.C., said the gunman, who was killed, may have targeted the home because his estranged wife works there.

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    And so now it begins. The antis are starting to use the recent shootings as an excuse to start harping on gun control.

    "To be sure, the gun-control debate is heating up, especially after the recent Alabama shootings where a man killed 11 people, including himself, using semiautomatic, military-style weapons. Gun-control advocates point to gun proliferation as a major cause for the loss of life, especially when families turn on themselves. That appears to be the case in the Santa Clara shootings.

    "Studies have shown over and over again that a gun in the home is more likely to be used against a family member than an intruder," says Juliet Leftwich, senior counsel for Legal Community Against Violence in San Francisco."

    Here's an anti spreading the same old tired lie that "a gun in the home is more likely to be used against a family member than an intruder":rolleyes: Notice how they mention "semiautomatic military-style" weapons, another threadbare tired lie from the antis:rolleyes::rolleyes:

    "But the root cause of the violence goes deeper than gun ownership, some argue. "Social isolation is a huge factor" in a country as large and transient as America, which places big emphasis on personal results, Levin says. "If you look at where many of these mass killings have occurred lately, they're in states that have lots of strangers, transients, and drifters, who don't have support systems to get them through tough times," he says."

    At least this guy is looking beyond the liberal "guns are evil and the cause of all crime, murder ,death, unhappiness, and rainy days" crap that they continue to spew forth unto a brainwashed and compliant populace.

    So get ready for the media to start harping on these whackadoos as proof that we should give up our firearms in the name of "public safety." To use the liberals' favorite line, "Won't someone please think of the children?!":rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
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    I am thinking of my children, I taught them to shoot, AFTER I taught them to THINK for themselves.
     

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    +1!! I feel that some sort of firearms instruction, AFTER learning to value life, should be taught to each and every child.

    Other than the current bunch of guys going off the deep end, most criminals who use firearms against others have NO RESPECT FOR LIFE! The blame for that I place squarely on the parents.
     
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    So how are those last two paragraphs related to the one before them? The guy in Oakland had all sorts of friends and some family, based upon news I heard and the protests. The guy in N.C. wasn't a transient, was he? These writers have gotten more and more sloppy in the way they present their articles. I don't know in this case if it was purposeful or just willfully lazy on the part of the writer. It almost seems as if he's trying to point to a theory that locations where there are lots of transients and people with little or no support system are experiencing more cases of mass shootings. Then he gives two examples of mass shootings where this isn't the case at all. What's up with that?
     
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    Thank you. The root cause of the majority of crime is this country can be traced to BAD PARENTING! When the liberals started TELLING people hoe to raise their children, the kids grew up with no discipline, no respect for others, no respect for others' lives or property, and no respect for the concept of working for what they own. They think that all that matters is their feelings and desires, so they start doping and drinking, and then commiting crimes stemming form those activities. Parents need to teach their children respect and instill a work ethic into them, then they should be given firearms instruction. Of course, a lot of the parents now have no work ethic, so how can they give their children what they lack?
     
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    That's good. That's what all parents need to do. +1!!

    But how many other parents nowadays actually teach their children HOW to think? The schools certainly don't, they're too busy teaching the children WHAT to think:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
     
  7. Millwright

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    Some interesting viewpoints !!

    Always had guns in the house. All the kids knew how to access them. Everyone got to shoot those guns under my personal supervision. They were all "treated" to seeing their favorite toy destroyed by those guns, too ! Harsh lesson ? You bet !! But one they all remembered, too. (And yes the toys got replaced - somewhat later - to drive home the lesson firearms are the ultimate arbitrator.) >MW