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Antique Iver Johnson revolver (with photos)

Discussion in 'The Ask the Pros & What's It Worth? Forum' started by Cru McKinney, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. Cru McKinney

    Cru McKinney New Member

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    Hello, new to TFF I Recently inherited a Iver Johnson revolver I know nothing about the year or model or what caliber it is hopefully someone has some info on this one the serial under the grip is H83662 I believe the holster is original but it is missing the snap if anyone could recommend where to find a replacement that would be great I know there a lot of experts on here any info would be great
     

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  2. Shrek73

    Shrek73 Well-Known Member

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    You have an Iver Johnson 3rd Model 3rd Variation Safety Hammer Automatic Revolver that was made in 1929. It is chambered in .38 S&W and is considered a smokeless frame. It should be safe for modern ammunition after you have it checked out by a competent gunsmith.

    Is there anything stamped on the back of the holster?
     

  3. riadat

    riadat Active Member

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    Looks like one of those buttons like on a pair of jeans. I like the gun better than the holster. Gun would go to the range and the holster would go to a drawer.

    That being said, it looks like one of those buttons on jeans that fits through the leather so anything like that in the appropriate size would work.
     
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    RJay Well-Known Member

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    Just for your information, an antique shop calls anything over 50 years old an antique but the BTAFE states that a firearms has to be made before 1898 before it can be classified as an antiqued.
     
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  5. Cru McKinney

    Cru McKinney New Member

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    Thank you all for the info I really appreciate it the back of the holster is stamped “75”
     
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  6. Cru McKinney

    Cru McKinney New Member

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    I was told it was a 32 that’s good to know it’s 38 sw thank you guys for the info I plan on shooting the gun in the back yard I had it looked at at my local gun shop they usually don’t deal with guns of this age couldn’t get too much info from them
     

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  7. Cru McKinney

    Cru McKinney New Member

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    Anyone know what this gun is worth? I’m not planning on selling it because it’s been in the family since it was new then passed down to me from grandpa but it would be good to know.. I’m guessing under $300? Also any recommendations on ammunition? I think the only place near me that sells .38sw is bass pro shops unless I order it online and pay up for shipping
     
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    CORRECTION. It is a special order and actually chambered in .32 S&W Long, not a .32 S&W. Iver Johnson used the large frame (.38 S&W) to build these which makes the year of manufacture correct. The six shot cylinder is the give away, the large frame .38 S&W and small frame .32 S&W were only five shots.

    As far as value, these are quite collectable. I would put value around $300-$350.
     
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    I, too, have an old Iver Johnson. It is a Third Model Safety Hammerless chambered in .38 S&W. According to the serial number it was born in 1910. Would I be correct in assuming it is a "smokeless frame?"
     
  10. riadat

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    Yes
     
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    Thanx. Here's a question you may be able to answer. The .38 S&W ctg. came out in the 1870s and smokeless powder as we know it sometime later. Any idea about when firearms were considered "smokeless?" I'm not referring to muzzleloaders, cap and ball pistols, etc. I'm thinking centerfire and rimfire cartridges. Hope the way I asked this makes sense.
     
  12. riadat

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    I'm really not an expert. Everything was black powder. Then came cartridges. And then came smokeless powder cartridges. The guns were beefed up to handle the smokeless powder which has a different pressure curve.

    Iver Johnson 3rd editions were beefed up. They weight more than the old ones and have more pins in them and stronger latches I believe, plus who knows what other differences which are not as obvious such as metallurgy etc.

    BTW, if im wrong someone jump in here. Im no expert just repeating what I have read with some google searching.
     
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  13. Shrek73

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    Each manufacturer made its own determination as to when to convert to smokeless. Iver Johnson went that route in 1909; however, they still manufactured US Revolvers, which were black powder frames until the 1930's. The Colt Model 1877 which ended production around 1920 was never proofed for smokeless.
     
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  14. Cru McKinney

    Cru McKinney New Member

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    Thanks for the info everyone really glad I joined the forum are we sure it is chambered in 32 sw long? I plan on shooting the gun next week I would like to keep my fingers jk I can measure the cylinders and post a pic if that helps
     
  15. Ron Legros

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    Shrek is correct the gun is chambered for 32 S&W Long. If you can't find S&W Long you can shoot 32 S&W in this gun. The only down side is if you don't clean it and then try to shoot 32S&W Long you may have trouble extracting the rounds due to build up of powder residue in the cylinder.
    Shoot it and enjoy.
     
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