[Guest]

Bob In St Louis
Senior Chief Moderator Staff
Posts: 304
(5/12/01 7:56:10 pm)
Reply | Edit | Del All Best Defense in Gang Land
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
What would be the best self defense for an individual of fair complexion at midnight in a section of north St. Louis where nine out of ten houses are boarded up crack houses, the tenth house has bars on the windows (those are the ones lived in by real people) and all of the folks in the neighborhood are of dark complexion. The truck breaks down, there is a gang of 15 individuals standing on the corner sharing crack pipes. They sense you are in distress, and start circling for the kill -----
Support the Dead Party, vote Harry S. Truman for Missouri Senate in 2002!

AntiqueDr
Moderator
Posts: 195
(5/12/01 8:26:55 pm)
Reply | Edit | Del Re: Best Defense in Gang Land
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bob,

I am surprised you do not have a patent on the answer! With an appropriate diet and training, you should be able to flatulate on command. Enough backpressure and those butthair braids should flail about like bullwhips! Just learn to run backwards and you are guaranteed escape!

Otherwise, may I suggest a Benelli 12ga.

Purveyor of Fine Firearms to the Enlightened Few
www.apaxenterprises.com

M Opaliski
Senior Chief Moderator Staff
Posts: 103
(5/12/01 8:58:53 pm)
Reply | Edit | Del Re: Best Defense in Gang Land
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
A: Don't get in that situation to begin with, as in avoid the area altogether.

B: Depending on how serious you are in this example, if you personally feel your life is in danger and there is no other form of escape ... nowhere to retreat ... exit the vehicle and give clear verbal warning that you have no interest in thier presence and or assistance, if things progress ... shoot one of the 15, this should certainly get the point across. More often than not, seeing the result of confrontation between co-thugs and defeat, the others will disband.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Support your RKBA ... Matthew
NRA Life Member
Talk Radio Junkie
[email protected]
TheFirearmsEnthusiast

polishshooter
Senior Chief Moderator Staff
Posts: 468
(5/12/01 9:53:53 pm)
Reply | Edit | Del Re: Best Defense in Gang Land
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
What do you have under the seat, a tire tool? A jack? A couple of flares? Maybe a big screwdriver, or a 1/2" drive ratchet? A Destroyer in 9 Largo?

Except for the latter, I always had most of these under the seat of my trucks, usually along with a broken sledge hammer handle that I never throw away when I break.

Improvised weaponry can be highly effective, and sometimes all you have to do is LOOK like you know what you are doing to "redirect the mob."

Just don't let them know your pants are wet or full.

I had a friend once who was an ex-Hells Angel,
who had a knack for getting into and out of bar fights. He always said no matter what you do, you find the "leader" of the mob, the loudest mouth, and make him know no matter WHAT happens, he is going down with you. If you can make that one guy flinch or back down, you USUALLY have it licked. But sometimes you just get hurt...

(He was REAL good with a long neck beer bottle, never was without one that was half full in a bar...while I never managed anything but a bruised hand when I try it, HE could make that bottom bust off neatly by smacking the top really hard with his open palm, hydraulic pressure or something. It was impressive, in less than a second he had it at your throat. EVERYBODY backed down and got civil when they saw him do that that...)

He taught me how to use a flat sap too...

BUT, Mathew is right. What the HELL were you doing there at that time anyway? Avoidance is the BEST method of dealing with any kind of trouble.

Alphamale
Senior Chief Moderator Staff
Posts: 185
(5/12/01 10:24:09 pm)
Reply | Edit | Del Re: Best Defense in Gang Land
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Welp, I don't know what to add to this, I really don't. So I'll just go over the finer points.
1) Have a gun
2) Don't be in that situation(interchangable with #1)
3) Shoot or stomp the crap out of the loudest person first, they seem to always be the leader(also identified by having his pants lower below his asscrack than anyone else)
4) Look for an escape, he who fights and runs away lives to fight another day.
5) Drive a Ford instead of a Chevy and you won't have to worry about your car breaking down
Remember: It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye, then it's just fun!

Edited by: Alphamale at: 5/12/01 11:25:29 pm

TYRVR
Moderator
Posts: 134
(5/13/01 2:00:50 pm)
Reply | Edit | Del Re: Best Defense in Gang Land
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Grenade,Fragmentation type,and A good set of running shoes,

LIKTOSHOOT
Senior Chief Moderator Staff
Posts: 535
(5/13/01 3:55:55 pm)
Reply | Edit | Del Re: Best Defense in Gang Land
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
If ya gotta travel there, be safe. Of the many things under the seat of my truck that could be used as a weapon, one is one of those just reclassified semi-auto scatterguns with a 20 round box mag....7 1/2`s start the action(5rnds) bird bomb(1), 01 buck (3), slug (2), bird bomb(1) remainder mixed...4`s and 000(4 each) LETS PAR`TAE....."DUDES??!!!"
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
Ah, for humor only...not intended for dip-sticks....edited for high-power defense......your gonna need it!

Edited by: LIKTOSHOOT at: 5/13/01 4:59:09 pm

Zigzag2
Senior Chief Moderator Staff
Posts: 483
(5/13/01 4:34:55 pm)
Reply | Edit | Del Re: Best Defense in Gang Land
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Heck, all I've carried under my seat is a 5 cell Maglight.

Tac401
Administrator
Posts: 924
(5/13/01 4:52:10 pm)
Reply | Edit | Del
ezSupporter
Re: Best Defense in Gang Land
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I carry a compact .45acp, a S&W Mod.60 .38 and a
NAA .22-L.R. Mini-Revolver everyday.

Tac
The Firearms Forum Vietnam Memories Bulletin Board Contact Administrator

TYRVR
Moderator
Posts: 135
(5/13/01 6:36:51 pm)
Reply | Edit | Del Re: Best Defense in Gang Land
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tac, I've been in gun shops that did not have that much inventory,

Tac401
Administrator
Posts: 927
(5/13/01 6:56:59 pm)
Reply | Edit | Del
ezSupporter
Re: Best Defense in Gang Land
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TY,

I like a full coverage insurance plan lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tac
The Firearms Forum Vietnam Memories Bulletin Board Contact Administrator

Bob In St Louis
Senior Chief Moderator Staff
Posts: 313
(5/13/01 7:14:41 pm)
Reply | Edit | Del Re: Best Defense in Gang Land
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks folks - this was just a hypothetical situation. I do work in a field where I am occasionally called out at odd hours for environmental responses on hazardous materials spills. And, often times, they are in bad parts of town because some hood knocked a valve off a tank or something. In those cases, there is a handy 12 gauge Mossberg with 9rd tube, and a S&W 4006 riding in the truck, and a PA63 380ACP secured in an inside the pants holster.

This boy may be crazy, but he ain't stupid.
Support the Dead Party, vote Harry S. Truman for Missouri Senate in 2002!

polishshooter
Senior Chief Moderator Staff
Posts: 485
(5/13/01 8:33:27 pm)
Reply | Edit | Del Re: Best Defense in Gang Land
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Responding to a "valve knocked off a tank," I think I'd leave the tracers at home...

BTW, MO doesn't have a CCW does it?

Years ago I owned an "illegal" (in NY) early Detonics that I wish I still owned. It rode in the pouch of the seat cover under the seat of my truck.

I wish I still had it, even if it was unreliable with hardball. BUT once I needed it, I believe it saved me and a manager on a night bank deposit from serious harm just by showing it, but I would have been in more trouble than the two drunks who were accosting us.

After they turned away we ran.

I'm glad I now live in a state that allows concealed carry with a permit.

Bob In St Louis
Senior Chief Moderator Staff
Posts: 322
(5/14/01 8:44:06 pm)
Reply | Edit | Del Re: Best Defense in Gang Land
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Can't carry concealed in Missouri - but it can be riding in the wide open sitting on your passenger seat, or hang the holster on your rearview mirror in plain site. I did that on several occasions so that I could easily reach in the truck and grab it. The local police have no qualms about it either - they know we are out there putting our lives on the line to save some company's assets.
Support the Dead Party, vote Harry S. Truman for Missouri Senate in 2002!

anchored
Member
Posts: 9
(7/26/02 9:09:01 am)
Reply | Edit | Del Re: Best Defense in Gang Land
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hmm. "An armed society is a polite society," so I'd assume they're armed and be very polite to them. I'll bet more than one of the "crackheads" has enough hotwiring experience to figure out what's wrong with the truck.
Might sound a little naive, coming from a country boy, but I used to live in San Diego, and I know people, crackheads or not, just want a bit of respect.

Crpdeth
V.I.P. Member
Posts: 55
(8/8/02 6:08:46 pm)
Reply | Edit | Del Re: Best Defense in Gang Land
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Someone mentioned being sure of yourself...I think that goes a long way, I've been in a lot of outnumbered confrontations, and bluffed my way out of most of them, but being prepared for the situation (which is what you are doing) is just plain smart...I think having a two way radio would be adventagous...I know my twin brother could get out of bed at 2:00am and be anywhere in this town in four minutes for me. My wife could do the same if I just wanted a ride, she's a pretty good shot too, come to think about it...I'd also say, draw attention to yourself, the thugs already know you are there, so make sure the rest of the neighborhood does...slap a strobe light on the top of the truck, and walk around it playing like you are talking on the hand held radio untill help arrives.

I love the way my Colt .45 rides between my belt and my butt.

Yea, crackheads just want your respect, and your pocket money, and your gold watch....Sorry, I know some crackheads too, my cousin is one of them...sitting on death row right now for murder...murdered a girl while he was high. They may want my respect, but they can keep on wanting, I respect 'em about as much as I trust 'em.

LIKTOSHOOT
*TFF Senior Staff*
Posts: 5707
(8/8/02 7:46:15 pm)
Reply | Edit | Del Re: Best Defense in Gang Land
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh!, tell me he`s not the "Bathtub Chopper"...........LTS

Crpdeth
V.I.P. Member
Posts: 56
(8/9/02 1:10:04 pm)
Reply | Edit | Del Re: Best Defense in Gang Land
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Naaa...He's the "push you out of the car at 50 mph 'er"

LIKTOSHOOT
*TFF Senior Staff*
Posts: 5719
(8/9/02 2:18:50 pm)
Reply | Edit | Del Re: Best Defense in Gang Land
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Yep, remember that one too. LTS

CaliCollector
Member
Posts: 20
(9/8/02 2:52:30 am)
Reply | Edit | Del
ezSupporter
Re: Best Defense in Gang Land
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
BOB-
this thread of what if's you started definatly makes me think, and maybe im showing my fuzzy lily white rear end alittle bit here and getting into a conversation where im not wanted and am desperately over my head, but i have one question/ concern.
just for arguements sake, god forbid, anything ever did happen that would require any of us to put our insurance policies into use, but say that you did actually encounter 15 crackheads passin the pipe in front of your broke down truck. i noticed that you state that you carry 3 weapons with you, and while im all in favor of superior firepower, 3 weapons should Mr. Murphy decide to step in and say hello, well isnt it concevable that you may become distanced from atleast one of your weapons? just because they are crackheads, or whatever possible type you may encounter, does not make them automatically an unarmed rabble. should you come under fire outside of your truck, while trying to get your vehicle mobil again, and had to seek cover , couldnt get back into your cab for some reason, then you may have just lost a 9 round mossberg and handed potential supperiority over to the heads. theres ALOT of possibles that could happen, and alot of id simply do this or do this, but i tend to agree with most, your best chance is to not get into that situation if at all possible, DO NOT get out of your ride unless ABSOLUTLY neccessary, so as to not lose control over your own safety and well being even more, and maybe revamp your rolling arsenal alittle bit?? the world and its possibilites are so immense that there are more possibles than solutions, so all any of us can do is plan for the worst and hope for the best. BUT it would definatly be a major disadvantage to lose control of a critical peice of hardware like a 9 round 12 guage. just my thoughts trying to put myself in that position mentally for a few minutes. i cant say my solution for a auto insurance policy is any better or any worse, but i feel that with a Colt Combat Target or a Glock 21 and 4 or 5 loaded spare mags, im pretty much able to handle most things, and can more readily retain control of my weapon by it only being one primary, and a possible back up, back up for me if i feel i need a weapon to begin with, is a ruger sp101 and a couple speed loaders, spare mags can be carried out of site in a modified day planner, and no one is the wiser. your thread is definate food for though, and ill be trying to find a suitable solution to it for myself. just thought id voice a concern.. hope you all dont mind, and if you do, ill keep my mouth shut next time =) Ray in California
sorry for the novel
"Beware the man with only one gun, chances are he KNOWS how to use it."

LIKTOSHOOT
*TFF Senior Staff*
Posts: 6030
(9/8/02 9:06:45 am)
Reply | Edit | Del Re: Best Defense in Gang Land
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Well, we may have a new Polishshooter in the makings (Hehehehe)

You always fight your way back to the real firepower, if you left it to start with. LTS

Crpdeth
V.I.P. Member
Posts: 91
(9/8/02 9:32:03 am)
Reply | Edit | Del Re: Best Defense in Gang Land
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ray:
No one will mind you "jumping in" here...Thats what it's all about... and, I feel you have added thought, and content to an otherwise dying thread. Furthermore, I have to agree with you to some extent, I believe, (as stated in my above post) that some of that firepower could be replaced with some sort of mobile communications device...fear on the unknown could definitely work in your favor here (they dont know who you are communicating with, how many there are, or how soon they could arrive).
I also agree in having sufficient ammo ready for that piece...For example my Smith & Wesson 9mm sports two factory mags and three hi-cap mags...My Colt .45...five mags, with more to come.

[edit]half my post didn't post for whatever reason...that really pisses me off[edit]

I dont feel like re-posting everything I said, at the moment,

But, I did mention, that I agree with who ever said "just brandishing a weapon may go a long way" I recall back when I was just an 18 yr old punk kid, three blacks jumped on me, it was dark, and they were pretty serious about hurting me (another story in it's self), but I pulled a heafty knife and started acting crazy, and these boys couldn't run away fast enough, who's to say 15 crackheads wouldn't do the same after putting a few .45 acp's in the air, we cant know.
With all that said...I still wouldn't mind having Grandpappy (my old scattergun) behind the seat.

Edited by: Crpdeth at: 9/8/02 1:54:21 pm

CaliCollector
Member
Posts: 21
(9/8/02 7:11:01 pm)
Reply | Edit | Del
ezSupporter
Re: Best Defense in Gang Land
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
i whole heartedly agree with Crpdeth that some sort of a mobile communications system is invaluable in a situation like that, correct me if i am wrong, but i believe, atleast in California that you can dial 911 from ANY cell phone, whether its hooked up or not and get the 911 dispatcher to be put thru to local state or county police or emergency crews. personally, i think id reserve putting a few rounds in the air for a last resort, and i think id try to put a few into the ground before the went into the air, providing that said ground could be some dirt or grass, or even a planter box. every year after the 4rth of july the news is always full of stories about a stray bullet someone shot into the air coming down and hitting an innocent, or almost hitting someone, doing property damage, ect. i myself would hate to find out later that an errant round that I fired, unintentionally punched thru the ceiling of someones dwelling and hit an innocent, not to mention the legalities involved with that reckless discharge??? hind sight is ALWAYS 20/20 , but stray rounds are a favorite of the antigunner, and for good reason, they are in excusable, we are ALL responsible for our weapons, ammo, and accessories, and ANY damage that they may do, purposly or inzadvertantly. i think that as i previously said, if a warning shot HAD to be fired, put it into something semi solid, potential risk of a riquochete but atleast you have some idea that you wont be allowing gravity to redirectthings somewhere you cant see. and another thought.. 15 crackheads... one of you... i remember hearing somewhere and i dont know if there is any validity to this or not, check for yourselves, but isnt there a ballpark set number of oponents, combined with their actions and demenor/disposition that entitles you to reasonably dispense leathal force? if i had to fire my weapon in that situation, and gave CLEAR,LOUD verbal warning, ie YELLED at them "get the f*&k away from me, I am in fear of my life and well being, and i WILL use deadly force, I WILL SHOOT YOU!!!" and they still advanced , calling me on my words, atleast then i would have established some sort of a ground work for a defense in court. Also i believe that for legal and liability reasons, you must also make sure that you HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE open to you, no where to run, and your escape is blocked by hostiles, too much to think about, but them legalities and lawyers can twist anything into around. what do you all think?? Ray in California
"Beware the man with only one gun, chances are he KNOWS how to use it."

warpig883
*TFF Staff*
Posts: 4657
(9/8/02 8:40:56 pm)
Reply | Edit | Del
ezSupporter
Re: Best Defense in Gang Land
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree with you Ray. I have often been wondering about those rounds shot into the air.

LIKTOSHOOT
*TFF Senior Staff*
Posts: 6038
(9/8/02 9:22:30 pm)
Reply | Edit | Del Re: Best Defense in Gang Land
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Police should be the ones to ask, they expend more "no" hits....anyone ever ask them?? "Thought Not" I knew that would come in handy...Thanks nunn. LTS

NeoDebo
V.I.P. Member
Posts: 502
(9/10/02 9:45:11 pm)
Reply | Edit | Del Re:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Move.

Either:

(1) move your residence to keep from being in that situation, or (2) move FAST (run, drive, etc.) to get out of it.

A fair-skinned person would have to be devoid of any sense of self-preservation to even speak the words "East St. Louis" above a whisper...

Folks, regardless of what you may say, regardless of what you may or may not have/possess, one does NOT have to remain in an enviroment like that. Moving ain't free--there is always a cost both in money and emotionally to changing one's life, life style, place of residence, and occupation too, if need be. However, the good life IS AVAILABLE to those who are willing to pony up and do those things necessary to obtain it.

One can have mountains, pure water, clean snow, and good, caring, peaceful neighbors, or whatever it is that you desire. BUT you have got to want it more than you want other things...

East St Louis??? AAAaaagggghhhh!!!

-- ND

magnum74
Member
Posts: 6
(11/7/02 2:44:40 am)
Reply | Edit | Del Re: Re:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hmmm...well I am considered to live in a fairliy rough neighborhood. I live in the San Fernando Valley and we have our share of local gangs and parts of the bigger gangs from the greater Los Angeles area trickle up to us. A majority of thugs have moved up in the caliber scale within the past 5 years. From the small but deadly .22(which is still used) has now grown to the fierce .45 or the occasional .357 magnum(they're gettin smarter). If you hide behind a trash can, house door or car door they wanna make sure the round goes through it. We do get the usual AK-47 or other assault rifle hit now and then too. But to answer your hypothetical situation...I'd want to have a good ol' scattergun loaded with 00 buck and maybe a slug or two and a hi cap pistola at my disposal.

JackRyann
V.I.P. Member
Posts: 52
(11/7/02 3:17:26 am)
Reply | Edit | Del Re: Re:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Nothing trumps a 12 guage and it don't care what color anyone is.
---If you wouldn't take that shot with the LAST bullet in your gun, you don't have any business taking it with the FIRST.---

Cloudbreak
V.I.P. Member
Posts: 56
(11/19/02 2:51:56 pm)
Reply | Edit | Del Re: Re:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I live in the San Fernando Valley too! Van Nuys to be specific.
Shreddin
http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=25386

magnum74
Member
Posts: 12
(11/22/02 11:09:42 pm)
Reply | Edit | Del Re: Re:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
LOL..well well well...I have a fellow SFV shooter in here...im in Northridge borderline Van Nuys...used to live in Panorama City...WHEW! I saw that place go to hell...that's why I had to move westward. But it's creeping over like a cancer. Well...goodluck to you and I...hope we see daylight someday.

blinter
Member
Posts: 5
(1/24/03 11:55:11 pm)
Reply | Edit | Del Re: Best Defense in Gang Land
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ever think about modifing your Mossberg with a Knoxx magazine convertion?

It allows quick reloads with 6 round mags or 10 round drums.

6+1 or 10+1(quick reloads) = No BGs

A balanced equation!
"Those that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Ben Franklin, (1759)

rhinoman
V.I.P. Member
Posts: 56
(1/25/03 12:30:20 pm)
Reply | Edit | Del Re: Best Defense in Gang Land
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hello, Sara Brady here. Just call 911.
The fight for freedom is not fought overseas in distant lands with guns, missles and bombs. It is fought here with words, pen and paper and I fear, we are loosing it.

 

[Logansdad]

the best defense in gangland is an awareness of what's happening around you and a contingency plan if you become percieved as prey...and at least a .38 Special or .380 ACP...(Allusions to race aside some people prey on one another whenever the opportunity to get away with it presents itself)

 

[4 eyed six shooter]

Ideally a 12 Ga, but they are a little hard to carry on an every day basis. Next choice would be my Colt Government model. It has a Detonics bull barrel, you know the kind that have no barrel bushing. The muzzel is recessed and from the business end it looks like it's 75 caliber. Three times it either made the idiot either run (slipping on his own excrement) or flat just give up.
Best advise, stay out of neighborhoods where the best citizen only has a $100.00 a day crack habit.
Good shooting, John K

 

[Burncycle]

You are assuming that these people are rational. That shots in the air, or shots into one member will send the others scattering. Your also assuming that you have time to reload. If both assumptions are wrong? What then?

I think it's best to talk worse case scinario, which is always better than hopeful thinking.

You have one pistol, they may or may not have one _each_. And they've surrounded you. Warning shots in the air don't phase them: you have x rounds (minus one because you shot in the air), but they have x+1 people, meaning there's no way to take them all on without reloading; something you might not have time to do even though you've trained to do it quickly. Maybe they're not smart enough to run, maybe they don't care. Maybe you do shoot one and he goes down: if they scatter, great. But what if they stay? egged on by the fact that you nailed one of their homies and they've gotta get some payback.

It's a lose lose situation and thats the entire point. Don't get yourself in that situation in the first place. If you have to, at the very least don't travel alone. A friend with his own sidearm will increase your chances a hundred fold.

Yelling that you are not afraid of defending yourself is great for your legal case, but in a realistic sense this is just a challenge; they'll get a good laugh of it and now you've egged them on. With luck, they'll see the error of their ways and leave you be. Unfortunately, I don't like relying on luck because of murphys law.... these are not sane people your dealing with.

 

[1952Sniper]

Hey Burncycle, I see you made it over to TFF. Welcome aboard.

 

[SouthernMoss]

Hi Burncycle. Welcome to TFF! Hope to see you post often.

 

[Burncycle]

thanks!

 

[Cow Caregiver]

Now ya see, folks,

There is too a place for the MAC 11 submachine gun and a pair of spare magazines. However, you will be under the jail for destroying (N+1)5 democrappic voters....

 

[Marlin]

Top o' the day, Burncycle.

Delighted to see you on TFF. I hope you will join us and post often.

 

[FN_Project90]

crack makes people not rational.... hehe
if they are using other drugs, ie angel dust or crystal meth nothing stops these guys other than death.

 

[Pistolsmith]

It isn't EQUIPMENT that will save you in this area, it is TACTICS. When surrounded in a strange area, a firend grabbed the nearest gang member, screwed a pistol (caliber would be unimportant) in the person's ear and muttered as follows:
"If you get me out of this alive, I won't splatter your brains all over the sidewalk."
Amazing how dialog sometimes can replace all kinds of actions.
They dispersed, my friend exited stage right and all was well.
However, it might not have been too pleasant if a cop car had barged around the corner as he took his hostage.

 

[ACC]

I'm with you pistolsmith,but I would of had more fun with a maremont

 

[Smoky14]

You gona die, pray fast and beat feet..faster.

Drather be lucky than good.

Smoky the runner

 

[45Smashemflat]

Getting back to the question - the comment on tactics is dead on.

OK, you have to go there - its your job. Your truck breaks down. Do these guys immeadiately cross the street to "provide assistance" or are they still over there eyeballing you? Assuming they are eyeballing and not aggressing - you can difuse a situation before it starts.

The communication to HQ - even if faked - is a great thing. Let them see you on the cell phone or 2 way - (Cell phone, don't go no where without one, they're just too cheap these days) Now they know you are "not alone."

Hey, stay in the truck - not a bad defensive postion. Make your self useful by "stacking mags and straightening pins" You guys know what I mean.

As far a aramament - the 12 Ga has already been mentioned. If the rabble continues to stare down from across the street - leave them be. As they come to help, let them see you "make ready" with the 12 Ga.

OK, now here you are, locked in your truck, with a 12Ga ready to rock. Unless they set the damn thing on fire - your good to go. They can crawl all over the thing, beat on doors, etc - you're still safe. If they make to break glass - doom on them.....

 

[Crpdeth]

Smash, Just to prove your point...Here is what happened to me a little while back, while driving in town with my wife, I had slowed down getting ready to pull into a "credit card only gas station" I glanced over at a group of black guys in a front yard, at the same time, because they were just being loud and rowdy, and caught my attention...One of the guys caught my eye and threw his arms up and mouthed something like "whatchu looking at foo" I dismissed it as childish behavior and pulled on into the vacant station...I looked for my gas card for a moment, then instinctivly out the rearview...sure enough, big mouth was headed my direction in a hurry, along with one of his buddies.
As he got close enough, I looked back at him and he asked me if I had a problem, or something like that...At this time I looked down in my lap like I was doing something, then lifted my cell phone to my ear. LOL. My new friend did a 180, and he and his buddy shagged on back to here they came from, as I handed my wife her .38 (loaded with +p hollow points) back to her, which I had hidden in my other hand.
We laughed at the boldness of the guys who were dissuaded buy just the thought of the police being called, just the thought of going back to visit Bubba in the state pen.....

Now, I know that I could have just drove off at almost any point of the ordeal, but thats where my hard headedness comes in to play...I think to enpower the thugs by running would give them a false sense of bravido, that may make them harder for other people to get along with in the future, I was breaking no laws and was prepared to protect myself and my wife...But I know for a fact that that little cell phone which wasn't even turned on, saved some lives that day, and a lot time in a court room.


Thanks Nokia


~Crp

 

[Mongo Slade]

I find the topic of this thread kind of racist.

 

[45Smashemflat]

As originally written, I see your point. I took the description and inferred that the idea was "your in a bad situation out numbered by bad guys." The original poster decided the describe his version of a bad guy using stereotypes, I don't think he meant anything racist or insulting by it.

 

[Guest]

I've been following this thread from the beginning and didn't think about it being racist. Looking back, I can see how that perception comes about. However, as I read it, I think about the close calls I've had in the past when I have had to "tough it out" and only one involved African-Americans. The rest all involved Caucasians or Latinos. Perhaps that is why I missed the slant.

Pops

 

[Salvage33]

Had to prepare to defend myself a few years back when two bad guys decided they wanted to take a drive in my car. One had a knife, the other a piece of pipe, and since I was in traffic, blocked in on all four sides, I decided that I would let the first one to reach me die and not worry about the second one.

the one with the knife came around to the driver's side and when I pushed my 1911 out the window, he almost crapped his pants, and screamed, "the muthaeffer has a gun" as he shagged on out of there. His buddy did the same thing. I smiled to myself as I slid it back in the holster and drove away. And this happened at a very busy intersection in the heart of town.

John

 

[Damu05]

IMA TELL YOU JUST LIKE THIS IF YOU LIST TO 80% OF THESE PEOPLE THAT REPLY TO THIS TOPIC YOU WILL GET KILLED TRUST ME WHEN I SAY THIS IF YOU SHOOT IN THE AIR WHEN A GANG SURROUND YOU ARE COMMING FOR YOU THEY WILL SHOOT BACK YOU PULL A GUN OUT AND DONT SHOOT EM YOU WILL GET SHOT AND IF YOU DO HAPPEN TO KILL ONE DONT GO BACK TO THE AREA THEY WILL FOLLOW YOU HOME SO IN OTHER WORDS DONT GO AROUND THERE NO MORE IF YOU HAVE TO ....GET A HANDGUN THAT HOLD A GOOD AMOUNT & THAT WILL FIRE QUICK


GOOD LUCK & B SAFE