You are right-on the Winchester-it is a .22 long and the case is mottled..It is about 20% and works fine ...The colt has a nice barrel and furniture but the top screw is broken and is being repaired. It is a two dollar part but huge pain in the ass...Thanks for your helpSomething is wrong in the Winchester description. A Model 1890 in .22 Long Rifle can't have a serial number that low, and wouldn't have a case colored frame. It is either .22 Long or .22 WRF. Assuming it is in .22 Long, the Blue Book, usually more up to date than Flayderman's, gives a top value of c. $8000, down to c. $400.
The Colt barrel length should be 24", but it could be a special order. It is also .22 Long, not Long Rifle. The BB gives a top of $5500 down to $500 or so for 10% finish. The value will be less if the barrel has been cut or the rifle is not functional; many are found broken or worn out.
I was wrong --It is a .22 long--serial is correct. It is hard to read it but its there...Thanks for the helpHi, Gunhugger, I am confused. You say solid frames were made up to c. 15000, or 15500, but that 23792 would be a solid frame. 23792, made in 1894, would be a takedown model, not a solid frame. But the 1890 was not made for the .22 LR until 1919, well after 23792 was made.
There is considerable value difference between the early and scarce solid frame and the later takedown models, which it is why pictures are necessary. The caliber marking is important because if 23792 is marked .22 Long Rifle, the barrel has been replaced and (if it feeds .22 LR) the carrier as well.
Jim, Thank you for someone else's lack of. I have read your postings and GunHuggers and have learned a lot. My Lightning has a ser. #81394 I am looking for the manufacturing date. Is there a web sight just for lightning's? Thanks again.I can understand, as it sometimes seems the words "thank you" are no longer part of the English language. Still, I get enjoyment out of answering questions (even ones nobody asked, hence my notorious "FWIW" stuff.
I, too, have spent time researching answers, sometimes even tearing down one of my guns to answer some question. The only thing that does tick me off is pulling down an antique gun (risking damage) to answer a question, only to have the questioner tell me I am not only wrong but an idiot. If he knew the answers, why did he ask?
FWIW (there I go again!) an 1890 can feed only one kind of cartridge because of the carrier used. Unlike later pumps, which can fire S, L, and LR interchangeably, the 1890 carrier is set up for one specific cartridge length, and there is no cartridge stop. So a gun made for .22 Long can't feed .22 Long Rifle; even though the case lengths are the same, the cartridge overall length is not.