Conservative today and conservatives of the 1950s -1970s

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  1. 45Auto

    45Auto Well-Known Member

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    Maybe the younger members of this forum would not realize this, but looking back to the 1950 - 1970's era and examining conservatives like President Richard Nixon and William F. Buckley I get the impression that the concept of what a conservative is today is very different from back then.

    The more active "conservative" of today appears to be more of a Right Wing Libertarian. I get this impression from things like the anti-U.S. Government language used by so many modern conservatives. Anti-government messages are consistent with what has been called in the past anarcho-capitalism (a concept which is not entirely one of anarchy because the government is still present but limited to the role of a protector of property rights.

    So, what do you think? Is being a Right Wing Libertarian/Anarcho-Capitalist the way to go forward or would the United States be better off with the more traditional William F. Buckley conservatism?
     
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  2. Old Guns

    Old Guns Well-Known Member

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    The government is not the same today as it was in those days. It's control over us has grown by leaps and bounds and has many wanting a considerable number of rollbacks. We are very close to Orwell's 1984 today while back then freedom was very much a real thing.
     

  3. jedwil

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    The NWO concept and the Deep State scare me greatly now.
     
  4. flyingtiger85

    flyingtiger85 Well-Known Member

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    Conservatives today are more informed.We have social media and the Internet etc.Back then you had the big 3 networks spoon feeding what they wanted you to know on a black and white TV with rabbit ears.
    We pretty much know most of the behind the scenes dirty secrets now.And I don't think they like it much.
     
  5. Bigdog57

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    Too many "Conservatives" today..... aren't. No load card carriers. No action.
     
  6. One Shot

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    Conservatives are still conservative. The Republican Party leadership is not conservative.
     
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    And a faithful follower of Brother John Birch..
     
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    I think back then people were mostly unaware of the things the government does. I want a very very small Federal government that is largely irrelevant to my every day life. I'm definitely a libertarian though I often have to vote lesser of two evils and go with the republican.

    As we can see with President Trump even the branch of government he leads is resisting his lawful authority. then again Obama's legacy is he "weaponized" the government against those who would oppose his Marxist agenda. The bureaucracy is a massive entity that exists to feed its own power and make law.
     
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  9. Alaska444

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    Well, times have changed and so has political and personal ideology.

    The biggest change is with an anti-Christian bias even among many conservatives.

    In the 50’s, conservatives and liberals worshipped side by side and read the same Bible. That is mo longer true today. Social issues dominate politics in a way they didn't in the 50’s when both liberal and conservative were in agreement on these basic values such as abortion and morality.

    Not so today.
     
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    The fracture that started in the 60's will never heal and in the long run will ruin this nation. I'm not a religious person but how does a nation that cannot even agree on basic morality expect to stand in the long run?
     
  11. RatFink

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    William Buckley a conservative? Bwaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaahaaaaaahaaaaa haaaaaa haaaaaaa haaaa.

    If you want to see what a conservative you have to go back to McKinley. And they put a bullet in him.
     
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    Well since I don’t know much about the conservatives of yesteryear or the politicians I only can go off of what I’ve seen and observed in the last 20-25 years, maybe less, I didn’t pay too much attention to these things when I was in my 20’s. Even in the last 10 years the anti-government sentiment has grown with leaps and bounds. As others stated it’s because we’re more informed now.

    As far as what I am, I call myself conservative. I’d like to see gallows built in the Washington Navy yard and used on a continuous basis on about 95% of the politicians. Is that conservative?:D
     
  13. 45Auto

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    It seems that conservatives of the 1940-1979 era were far more cautious of the power of the military industrial complex than anyone is today. President Dwight Eisenhower spoke out against them during his presidency.
     
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  14. Alaska444

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    Who killed Kennedy?

    Government coup is the most likely. JFK was trying to reign in the out of control CIA after the disastrous Bay of Pigs that nearly ended his presidency. He lost that battle. Who founded the CIA? Who benefited from the JFK assasination?

    The military industtrial complex is only the tip of the iceberg. There are other forces in the US present for over 200 years with their own underlying agenda. What we see on the surface is truly smoke and mirrors.
     
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    "Who killed Kennedy?" I think you're on to something, the government behind the government IMHO. It was rumored that he was going to expose an international banking cabal that was siphoning our monetary supply dry, and was killed before he went public with the information. Our financial security was given away by Socialist/Democrats and with help from key Republicans in the early part of the last century. There's a book entitled "The Creature From Jekyll Island" that gives a very detailed account of how we were sold out.
     
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