[Infidel]

With the research that I have personally done myself I will be purchasing a cs in the near future

Good luck with it! Be sure to let us know how it works out. I don't know where you plan on getting one, but if you have a sportsmansguide.com membership, it knocks a chunk of the price. They have great customer service. I buy stuff there often.

 

[mcgreen85]

Hey jack, not trying to get in the middle of anything, but I was wondering would you recomend one of these scopes to go on my 22-250, I've been planning on getting one before this season starts & I was thinking some 1/8 moa would do me some good, I like to shoot out to about 500 yds

 

[jack404]

I've seen them on .308 and 30-06 so should be ok for 22/250 ( recoil wise)

but if your like the average 22/250 shooter your shooting the flat so max range of 400 yards ?

you dont have to go so high end for this range and can save a few extra bucks

you can get 1/8 MOA on a couple of the sponsors links here about $80-$100 cheaper than where these start take a look the folks have some good deals and a broad range of recticals

these aint so great close in like many scope of this nature and are for 300-infinate yard shooting but at 300 and under ,errr theres better and cheaper ..

the lower end CS scopes are not so impressive as the high end ones , theres a CS tactical review of a lower end scope they dealt with , not good .. if you do get one get the US made versions as thats the ones folks like ( but they are ruining their name with the cheaper ones.. )

 

[Bigr Bang Thry]

Just my two cents worth, but here goes. The close-up picture of a countersniper scope has a ROCHESTER, NEW YORK address. I can tell you that BOUSCH & LOMB ( A VERY reputable optics company ) is headquartered in Rochester. B&L also manufactures rifle scopes, both under the B&L label, and BUSHNELL. I don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me if COUNTERSNIPER scopes were actually made by B&L. B&L does alot of it's manufacturing overseas, but their high end scopes come out of the states. Like I said, I don't know. This is just a guess.

 

[jack404]

your part right

CS are designed by B&L and a gent calles noel geshardt or similar spelling , for CS,

CS is a company in its own rights who went to the different folks asking to make scopes to their spec and have been dealing with the B&L team but its made to a price , many parts are off shelf china sourced , many parts are US made to order and the lenses come from a few places including ziess and fuji depending on model , but the B&L folks do have a big input on the design and componant parts what exactly for each model i dunno just did some reading and sent a couple emails to them after this thread and another like it got started ..

 

[The Duke]

Nothing like a lively topic to get things stirred up.

I dont own a CS, but may do so in the future...but will need another rifle to put it on first...

I got one Bushy 3200 10X and 2 Leupy MkIVs 6x25 and a Meopta 4X16...No complaints with any of them....I will be impressed if it can do as well as the MKIV's...

Think I will put a CS on my " I Wanna " list and see...May be time to retire the old Meopta with the front focus..

 

[happyskeeter]

First off, Sportsmanguide sells a magnetic product that you install on your gasoline line to increase your gas mileage 50%. That tells me the company can not be trusted. The Countersniper scopes are in the same league as this magic gas mileage improver.

Check www.swfa.com and get on their optics talk forum with a group of people who live and breath optics. They either work in the optics field or it is a hobby they take real serious. They definitely know what they are talking about.
Their opinion which I trust is that the Countersniper is total crap. The fact that CS says they are a military contract item when they are not says something right there. I have never seen any CS scope used in any 50cal competition. It is usually S&B,Nightforce, Leupold or US Optics once in a while you see a Vortex Razor.

Rory== You have it totally right about this joke of a scope. People still buy Lorcin's and think they are great pistol. It is called "denial" or just not knowing better. How many people bought a Yugo thinking it was the total crap it was? Some people just do not know better. The CS scope is the Yugo of scopes.

 

[Infidel]

Do you own one? Have you shot one? Have you even had one in your hand?

 

[okiefired]

Well. glad I didn't read this thread before I joined here or I probably wouldn't have met the few great people I've met on this site. 1rst, Ive never used a CS scope and probably never will. I have handled one and it was ok, but thats it, just ok. I'd lot rather have a Nikon or Leupold, NF is out a my price range. I will say this, the two guys promoting the CS here have, between the two of them according to thier posts, 300 rnds set off under the scope. Thats pretty funny considering they were both yelling "what experience do YOU have with it personally" ! Most people in the REAL world who really run optics for work will put that kind of use on a scope in a day....easy..and all the while tryin to twist the turrets off of it. I've run mine that hard in a day and I'm just a lowly, no count, no nothing civi, not a real army sniper......gimmy a freakin break. 2nd, I will also say this about Snipershide. The guy that owns the site was a Marine Corp. sniper that servered his country for years. I believe he is now an instructor at places like Rifles Only and others....he know his ****. I've been a member there for years, since 03 I think, and I've personally talked to people on that site the caliber of George Gardener, Terry Cross and a young man named David Tubbs, maybe some of you have heard of him (there are many active duty andd retired snipers on that site). To come on this site and make a blanket statement about them like "nothing but a bunch of wanna be snipers" is pure ignorance and lets me know right off that nothing else you say needs to be taken with one bit of seriousness, your credibility just went right out the window. If you want to prove it go show up at some of thier matches and give them a lesson. Be sure and let us know how that works out for ya. 3rd, good job on runnin off the (obviously young) man who disagreed with you, now he'll get his questions answered who knows where and by who. Come to find out, no one in the thread had much more experience than he did with the scope. Maybe they'll be the rage of the future and if they are, I'll buy one, but the 2 mil trained snipers that I know and asked about them.........never heard of them.

okie

 

[Infidel]

Who, where and when? I'll bring my M1A and whatever scope I'm running on it at the time.

This thread isn't a question of capability, some have, some don't.

I may have not worded my sentiments of snipershide properly, so for you, I will clarify.

I have no doubt that any of my military bretheren are fully qualified to post and offer thier experience and expertise. However, like all anonymous internet forums, they are chocked full of fan boys, twits and posers, doing their best to fit in and participate in a world that they will never know firsthand.

No statement I ever made was intended do derogate any of the professionals of any of these fora. However, opinions offered about products are subjective to all discretions. Some are good, some are bad. What works for you may not work for me.

Please don't hesitate to address me directly instead of "someone" or "some members". I assume your are addressing me in your post and I would be glad to discuss this with you Okiefired.

Please quote any direct points of contention you have with anything I have said and I will happily discuss and admit if I have posted something in error or stupidly.

 

[Shooter45]

I reread the complete thread and I don't think you were being addressed. Read it again and You may see the same. Correct me if I'm wrong as I may have missed something.

 

[ampaterry]

My aunt used to tell me that to avoid fights, don't talk about religion or politics.

She apparently forgot to add Scopes to that list - -

 

[Infidel]

I reread the complete thread and I don't think you were being addressed. Read it again and You may see the same. Correct me if I'm wrong as I may have missed something.

I thought so because of this.

I will say this, the two guys promoting the CS here have, between the two of them according to thier posts, 300 rnds set off under the scope. Thats pretty funny considering they were both yelling "what experience do YOU have with it personally" !.................. To come on this site and make a blanket statement about them like "nothing but a bunch of wanna be snipers" is pure ignorance and lets me know right off that nothing else you say needs to be taken with one bit of seriousness, your credibility just went right out the window. okie

1. Although I don't feel I'm promoting CS scopes, I have spoken positively, factually and objectively about them.

2. I did say that about snipershide, and like all internet forums, there are pros and there fanboys. Not everyone there is a trained "sniper" so to speak and fanboys and dilettantes often infiltrate these sites. I meant no disrespect for the actual professionals there or the real value of the site. I have referenced it from time to time myself when it came in searches for rifle reviews. The reviewers at snipershide gave bad reviews to the scope, I simply disagreed. I apologize if that statement came out wrong.

3.If it was not directed to or referenced me, I also apologize to Okie, however, I think I assumed safely on this one.

 

[Infidel]

My aunt used to tell me that to avoid fights, don't talk about religion or politics.

She apparently forgot to add Scopes to that list - -

I try not to just flat out take a dump in someones bowl of cheerios, but knitting circles bore me.

We could add to that list-rifles, pistols, ammo, trucks,,,,,its a big list.

 

[okiefired]

"How many actual snipers do you think are at snipers hide?"

I dont know, you count'em and let us know.

"And btw, I doubt that snipershide has any real snipers to be found. Please do not put any confidence in these rubes, gameboys and fanboys."

All the more reason for you to head on over there and teach'em what its all about...and you might want to show up at a few of thier matches too...that'l help.

"All I can tell you is read my post just a few up. I had this scope for two months, shot over a hundred rounds through my NM M1A with it and it was repeatable, bright and clear."

100 rnds? Really? You seriously said that on a public forum expecting that to be proof? A BSA could hold up for 100 rnds.

"Well...I guess I will spend a few minutes I will never get back to straighten out a fan boy noob......."

This quote really had no bearing, I just found it so funny I had to post it.

"Oh and the counter snipers were never used in the military or were ever contracted."

"That's easy to find out. Its called marketing, they all do it"

Be sure and let us know who "they all" is so we'll know exactly who it is CS is running with.


I didn't address you "directly" because I didn't feel it was needed...Infidel. I try and not get personal on forums...Infidel...obviously you do and if thats the way you'd like to be...thats fine, I can go with that. These quoats above are from you so you be sure and let me know (publically, not privately) where I misrepresented anything. I comented on just what was posted on this thread and nothing else....you and everyone else can take it exactly as they want.

okie

 

[Thug-o-nomics]

For anybody who's still interested, here's a simple testimonial from somebody who's used one : I purchased my Counter-Sniper 3-9x42 scope back in August and mounted it on a custom FAL that I'd just had built. Since then, I've put over 600 rounds of .308 through the combo. I initially made the mistake of buying a cheap dust cover/scope mount combo (to avoid starting another war of words, I won't mention the brand name - suffice it to say, I got what I paid for). The mount was literally shaken to pieces by the time 200 rounds were down range. The scope, on the other hand, has performed flawlessly. After coming to my senses and buying an A.R.M.S. #3 scope mount, I have been enjoying the heck out of it. This isn't a low recoil weapon and the scope has never lost zero or manifested any sort of defect that I've been able to detect.

For the sake of openness, this account is coming from somebody who's probably an average shot. (Maybe a Mil-Dot above average on a good day.) I can drop a white tail on a dead run at 200 yards but that just makes me a carnivore, not a sniper.

The only beef I might make about this scope is the ultra-fine reticule. (I can definitely understand where Infidel is coming from on this account.) Would my experience be the same had I chosen a scope from a different manufacturer? Don't know. This is the only scope I've mounted on my beast, so to say anything else would be mere speculation. What I can say is this: I've used my CS scope hard and it's never let me down. I can't ask for more.

 

[reynolds357]

I have considered buying one, but I have two major questions that I need cleared up before I purchase a counter sniper. 1. They claim to be a military contract scope. What military contract were they awarded?
2. Why do they not have a lifetime warranty?
I am not nocking them because I have never shot one. I just want some good info. to make an informed decision.

 

[Thug-o-nomics]

Fair questions Reynolds. You're probably going to have to contact CounterSniper (866-883-9444) to get specifics about their military contracts. I wouldn't expect a great deal of granular information though. I make my living in the realm of procurement and contract negotiations, so I can tell you from experience that, depending upon how long ago a given contract was awarded, CS is very limited (legally/contractually) regarding the specific information they can share with the public. There are so many rules vendors MUST follow when contracting with the Federal Government - particularly with the DoD - that it's basically a science on to itself. In this case, the DoD has some particularly stringent non-disclosure terms (understandably so, I may add), so I'm guessing the best you can hope for is some fairly general information.

I think I can help you out regarding their warranty though. These quotes come directly from CS' website (www.countersniperoptics.com).

For their top line scopes: "The CMOG Titanium Line is the only tactical riflescope in the world UNCONDITIONALLY warranted for life. Battle damage, bomb damage, even bullet impacts are covered. If it is damaged unworkable, send it to us and we will fix it or give you a new one."

For their other scopes:"For Factory New Unissued Models in the Aluminum line, the warranty is also Lifetime, covering manufacturing defects, albeit battle and accidental damage and normal wear and tear are not covered. Contract overruns carry a 10 yr. manufacturer warranty. "

Hope this helps!

 

[Infidel]

I dont know, you count'em and let us know.

I would bet that very few are compared to thier total membership.

"All I can tell you is read my post just a few up. I had this scope for two months, shot over a hundred rounds through my NM M1A with it and it was repeatable, bright and clear."

100 rnds? Really? You seriously said that on a public forum expecting that to be proof? A BSA could hold up for 100 rnds.

I wasn't attesting to its durability. I said exactly what I meant. The other things you quoted were taken out of context and don't deserve reply.

"Well...I guess I will spend a few minutes I will never get back to straighten out a fan boy noob......."

This quote really had no bearing, I just found it so funny I had to post it.

Glad I could amuse you.

"Oh and the counter snipers were never used in the military or were ever contracted."

"That's easy to find out. Its called marketing, they all do it"

Be sure and let us know who "they all" is so we'll know exactly who it is CS is running with.

Marketing...anyone who advertises through any media is marketing something. Its a marketing slogan afaic.

I didn't address you "directly" because I didn't feel it was needed...Infidel. I try and not get personal on forums...Infidel...obviously you do and if thats the way you'd like to be...thats fine, I can go with that. These quoats above are from you so you be sure and let me know (publically, not privately) where I misrepresented anything. I comented on just what was posted on this thread and nothing else....you and everyone else can take it exactly as they want.

okie

I wouldn't say you misrepresented, I would say that you misunderstood my posts. Look, I don't want to get into a pissin contest with you, I just want to give a fair shake to a product that doesn't warrant all the flak this one is getting. I just try to educate with facts about it.

Fact-Its is made in the US-Rochester NY with Schott glass from Germany.

Fact- The one I had performed well, exactly as i said.

I never attested to anything else about it, however, there are others here that have and many others have purchased on many websites and stores and sales must be good because they have been around awile now and are being sold at many reputable outlets. I don't know what else to say about it.

 

[Infidel]

I have been shopping for a scope for awhile now for my M1. I was at Midway USA and browsing thier with their selection tool. For the helluvit, I searched for CS and read a few reviews. Interesting.....

http://www.midwayusa.com/find?dimen...itemsPerPage=20&PreviousCategoryDimensionId=11495&promotionId=&userSearchQuery=