crime prevention "outweighs concern over privacy."

Discussion in 'The Constitutional & RKBA Forum' started by Marlin T, Sep 16, 2009.

  1. Marlin T

    Marlin T Well-Known Member

    Jul 8, 2005
    New Mexico
    Cameras keep track of all cars entering Medina

    Cameras installed at Medina intersections monitor every vehicle coming into the city. The cameras capture all license-plate numbers, in a crime-prevention measure that one council member says "outweighs concern over privacy."
    By Sonia Krishnan
    Seattle Times staff reporter

    City signs have a unique way of greeting people. In Issaquah, for instance, motorists are told they're entering "a special place where people care." For years, Bothell invited people to stay "for a day or a lifetime."
    In Medina, a new sign bears this warning: "You Are Entering a 24 Hour Video Surveillance Area."
    Cameras have recently been installed at intersections to monitor every vehicle coming into the city.
    Under the "automatic license plate recognition" project, once a car enters Medina, a camera captures its license-plate number. Within seconds, the number is run through a database.
    If a hit comes up for a felony — say, the vehicle was reported stolen or is being driven by a homicide suspect — the information is transmitted instantaneously to police, who can "leap into action," said Police Chief Jeffrey Chen.
    "These cameras provide us with intelligence," Chen said. "It gets us in front of criminals. I don't like to be on a level playing field with criminals."
    He declined to give the number and location of all the cameras.
    Medina — a city of 3,100 with an average household income of $222,000 — had discussed the idea for years as a way to discourage crime, city officials said.
    Last year, there were 11 burglaries, Chen said.
    "Some people think [that number of burglaries] is tolerable," he said. "But even one crime is intolerable."
    All captured information is stored for 60 days — even if nothing negative turns up, he said. That allows police to mine data if a crime occurs later, Chen said.
    Doug Honig, spokesman for the American Civil Liberties Union of Washington, said such a system smacks of privacy violations.
    "Government shouldn't be keeping records of people's comings and goings when they haven't done anything wrong," he said. "By actions like this, we're moving closer and closer to a surveillance society."
    Medina City Councilmember Lucius Biglow said crime prevention "outweighs concern over privacy."
    "Privacy is considerably less nowadays than it was, say, 50 years ago," he said. "I think most of us are pretty well-documented by the federal government ... simply because of the Internet and credit cards."
    It's no secret cameras are everywhere — in stores, streets, parks and intersections where police want to cite drivers for running red lights.
    A 2005 city survey showed that nearly a half of Medina's residents agreed with the camera installation. In 2007, the City Council unanimously approved moving forward. (A cost for the project was not immediately available Tuesday from city officials.)
    The city looked to nearby Hunts Point as an example. The peninsula-shaped residential community just north of Medina has been using a video-camera setup to record a continuous loop of car traffic in and out of town for more than three years, town administrator Jack McKenzie said.
    The town of about 500 residents hasn't had a single break-in since the cameras were installed. "I recommend it highly," McKenzie said.
    He said visitors to Hunts Point can't miss the video equipment: "It's 12 feet tall and covered with cameras," he said of the installation, which is located at the traffic circle at the entrance to the community. There are eight cameras in all; pairs of cameras point in four directions.
    No residents have ever complained about it, he said.
    McKenzie said the town has used it for evidence in a couple of cases. In one case, he said, a woman driving a Mercedes ran into a mailbox pagoda, damaging the mailboxes and her car.
    Medina police — who provide Hunts Point with police protection — reviewed the tape and picked out the undamaged Mercedes going into town, and the damaged car later coming out.
    Medina City Council members say the cameras aren't about preserving a gated-community atmosphere.
    "We're not elitist at all," Councilmember Robert Rudolph said. "There is a mix of people in Medina of all economic strata. What we're doing here is protecting our citizenry."
    Sonia Krishnan: 206-515-5546 or Staff reporter Katherine Long and news researcher Gene Balk contributed to this report.
  2. Marlin T

    Marlin T Well-Known Member

    Jul 8, 2005
    New Mexico
    Everybody in Medina needs to buy one of these for every vehicle that they have.


  3. bcj1755

    bcj1755 New Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    A wretched hive of scum and villiany
    And here we see the beginning of the entry of the totalitarian mindset of "crime prevention." The totalitarian gov't always says the state can violate peoples' privacy to prevent crime because an innocent person has nothing to hide or fear and a criminal has no right to privacy anyhow.:rolleyes:

    I love how the chief of police says that the cameras can catch a car that "a murderer is driving." How can they tell from looking at someone if they're a criminal or not?:rolleyes:

    And so dies our protections under the 4th Amendment:mad::mad::mad:
  4. Bobitis

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  5. kingchip

    kingchip New Member

    Jul 2, 2009
    Marble Falls, Texas
    That's a bunch of carp right there. Now the Texas criminals may stay here.
  6. red14

    red14 Well-Known Member

    Aug 17, 2009
    N FLA

    Big Brother is watching YOU!

  7. pickenup

    pickenup Active Member

    Sep 11, 2002
    Colorado Rocky Mountains
    Once you leave your home, there is NO privacy anymore. :mad:
  8. Vladimir

    Vladimir Active Member

    Jan 29, 2008
    Issaquah WA
    I gotta be honest... after 22 years I don't recall ever seeing this sign :D.
  9. VegasTech702

    VegasTech702 New Member

    Sep 10, 2006
    Las Vegas, NV
    There is no privacy in your home... Patriot Act did away with that.

    Here is a big SCREW YOU! to the liberal goverment and their sheeple.
  10. Doc1911

    Doc1911 New Member

    Jun 29, 2009
    In Orlando we have sections of town (huge drug areas) that are under 24 hour surveillance. Moreover, many towns in FL are putting up camera at intersections to make revenue - over $100 a ticket in Orlando. These traffic cameras are being challenged right now in court.
  11. 45nut

    45nut Well-Known Member

    Jul 19, 2006
    Dallas, TX
    Big Brother is watching you.

    Man, ole George was a prophet.
    Last edited: Sep 17, 2009
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