Deringer what is it?

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  1. Don111

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    DSCN0192.JPG Recently bought, 95 style deringer except for ejector, with wood grips, nickel finish, engraved, .41 long, with the #1 stamped on frame right side, bottom of barrel in front of barrel lock, on the ejector, grips, trigger mechanism, firing pin mechanism. Found 2 pictures online same exact gun. Both had Remingtion & Son on the top of the barrel. Mine does not. No manufacturer marks. Was told it was Spanish. Could anyone help with identification?
     
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    As I stated in my earlier post, the #1 is all over this gun. Have some pictures this time. Could this be a Remington? DSCN0196.JPG DSCN0192.JPG
     

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    I don't believe I've seen copy of a Remington derringer that latches like that . The engraving looks Belgium , the gun looks Belgium, might be German, but I bet cha it is Belgium. And one from the 1930's too. But then again, upon careful reconstitution , I don't have the foggiest of its origin
     
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    That's not a latch- it's the extractor/extractor.
    The gun latches like any other Remington.
     
  6. Old Guns

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    I believe this is an early Remington Derringer that has been modified for the automatic ejector. The early models had a slightly different angle to the trigger like this one does. The shield at the bottom has been filed away to allow for clearance for the ejector system. Notice how the engraving runs off the edges. If it were foreign it would have some sort of proof marks in my opinion. I think the address along the top of the barrel has been worn down or filed off with some of the front sight. These guns were batch numbered so there is more then one No1 serial number. Now the interesting thing to ponder is the question, could this be some sort of Remington prototype? Probably not or the engraving would have fit the frame. An interesting gun to ponder.
     
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    This gun is marked Remington on top of the barrel. It is an early version.

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    The sights on this do not match the early Remington version. The rear sight notch on Remington's are on the hinge. The rear sight on this one is located behind the frame on the hinge. The front sight is also in the same place as a Remington, it is more forward.
     
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    These guns had transitions just like most others, The front sight is more like a later gun. The hammer like an early gun. The rear sight and ejector mechanism are modified. The other details are a perfect match. I have never seen a close copy of this gun before.
     
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    9387502_6.jpg untitled.png 308-92_Spanish%20Copy-Remington%20Model%2095_2.jpg

    To all who had comments Thanks, I found these on the internet, all are similar in one way or another to mine. The gold one is of paticular interest, this looks just like mine. I still don't know what I have.
     
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    The gun shows signs of heavy pitting, but the modified ejector does not show such signs ? As if Doctor Frankenstein added the parts later.
     
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    Here is another gold plated one. I think it is now obvious that these are early Remington Derringers that were commercially modified including the shape of the hammer on some versions. The E. Remington and Sons is an early address. I can't find much out about the earliest guns. It looks like they did not survive in large numbers compared to the later guns. From the pictures it looks like the front sight evolved some as time passed. None of these modified guns are built on the standard model as we know it. That would leave me to believe that the company making the modification either ceased to exist or stopped doing this before the frame changed.

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    The day I stop learning is the day they are shoveling dirt over a 6X3 box I will be occupying ;)
     
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    This is a page from Guns of the Old West By Charles Edward Chapel, note the description of the Remington first model double derringer.
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