Do you believe any of this? October Surprise

Discussion in 'The Fire For Effect and Totally Politically Incorr' started by markfh, Oct 5, 2012.

  1. markfh

    markfh New Member

    Dec 16, 2008
    Like they say he with the gold makes the rules and in this case liars figure and figures lie.

    In this one how can a drop in unemployment of 456k result in such a significant reduction in the unemployment rate when only 114k are listed as new jobs. These numbers just don't work out.

    Can they actually believe we are this stupid?

    And this "August figures were revised up to 142,000 from 96,000, while July's figures were revised up to 181,000 jobs created from 141,000."
    Last edited: Oct 5, 2012
  2. nmckenzie

    nmckenzie Well-Known Member

    Aug 15, 2011
    Sitka, Alaska
    It's kinda like they took Obbie's HOPE & CHANGE mantra and turned it around; CHANGE the unemployment figures, and HOPE we're stupid enough to believe it.

  3. carver

    carver Moderator Supporting Member

    Jul 28, 2008
    DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of E. Texas!
    They only use numbers supplied by the unemployment office. That means that if you are currently drawing unemployment you get counted as unemployed. If your unemployment has run out, or you get disqualified, you are no longer on the unemployment rolls, therefore, you are no longer counted. Back during the great depression, unemployment hit at around .23%. I would almost be willing to bet that the true curent unemployment rate is pretty colse to that .23%.
  4. Insulation Tim

    Insulation Tim Well-Known Member

    Oct 29, 2008
    Unfortunately, there will be a lot of "stupid" folks voting.
  5. Appliancedude

    Appliancedude Well-Known Member

    Jul 29, 2007
    The true northern Cal
    14.7% according to IJR

    Well surprise surprise. Their web site is down. Hmm. Good thing I copied and pasted it to my facebook page this morning.

    From the Independent Journal Review

    The streak is over, but that is very misleading.

    With over three consecutive years of unemployment above 8 percent, September’s still disappointing jobs report shows an addition of a meager 114,000 jobs. That’s enough to make unemployment drop to 7.8 percent from the 8.1 percent after August.

    The number of unemployed persons (12.1 million) dropped by 456,000.
    The number of persons unemployed (2.5 million) for less than 5 weeks declined by 302,000.
    The number of long-term unemployed persons (jobless for 27 weeks or more) was little changed at 4.8 million.
    The number of long-term unemployed persons accounted for 40.1 percent of the unemployed.
    Total employment rose by 873,000 in September.
    The Labor Force Participation rate was little changed at 63.6 percent.
    The number of persons employed part-time for economic reasons rose from 8.0 million in August to 8.6 million in September.

    If the number of unemployed dropped by 456,000, but only 114,000 jobs were added, that means that 342,000 people left the workforce in some fashion. Couple that with the fact that the number of part-time workers saw an increase of 582,000 while manufacturing unemployment saw a decrease of 16,000 jobs and this drop in unemployment rate begins to looks less and less optimistic, and more like a misleading mathematical equation.

    In 2012, employment growth has averaged a gain of 146,000 jobs per month, a drop from the average monthly gain of 153,000 in 2011. Given these numbers, the 114,000 jobs added in September begin to look worse and worse, regardless of what the often-misleading unemployment rate says.

    The much more telling U-6 unemployment rate, which accounts for unemployment, underemployment, and those marginally attached to the workforce, remained the same at 14.7 percent. That 7.8 percent number does not include so many factors and does not tell the whole story. For instance, if a worker should be employed full time but could only find part time work in September, they helped the “unemployment rate” decrease from 8.1 to 7.8 percent, but they would not have changed the U-6 number at 14.7 percent.
  6. therewolf

    therewolf New Member

    Jul 17, 2012
    Yeah? Hopefully it will be hungry "stupid" folks...
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